Yeah in all the Vegas games the Flames have been the better team. The difference is a couple bad breaks in Vegas. The Flames have carried the play for longer stretches.
Yeah in all the Vegas games the Flames have been the better team. The difference is a couple bad breaks in Vegas. The Flames have carried the play for longer stretches.
That may be true, but it’s scary how quick the Knights are in forcing and taking advantage of miscues in their opponents’ end.
This is hockey. You can't win it all without multiple superstar players. And even if you have the superstar skaters, they can't win without a goalie. Just look at the other team in Pennsylvania. The Penguins without Fleury/Murray are the Flyers. It's always great to have the two best centres in the world on your team, but the goalie still has to win games, and there were a few seasons where Fleury genuinely let them down. But it's clear those days have passed, and the man is an elite goalie.
Patrick Roy: 1029 GP 2.54 .910
Miikka Kiprusoff: 623 GP 2.49 .913
Carey Price: 612 GP, 2.48 GAA and .918
Marc Andre Fleury: 795 GP 2.56 and .913
Seems like pretty good company.
To keep it off topic, Chris Osgood belongs in the Hall of Fame. People talk about him like he's Antti Niemi.
-13th all time in wins with 401.
-3x Stanley Cup winner - twice as a starter.
-4x Stanley Cup finalist - three times as a starter.
-GAA during his playoff runs: 2.12, 1.55, 2.01
-Save % during his playoff runs: 0.918, .930, .926
-6x 30+ wins
-13x 20+ wins
-39 shutouts
-2x William Jennings winner
H.O.F.
Fair response. What would your thoughts on Corey Crawford be?
Osgood is easily the most underrated goalie of all time.
Honestly, I blame his helmet. He isn’t flashy by any means, but was a solid, consistently well above average goalie.
Likewise I think MAF would be a Canadian legend if he didn’t have that unfortunate error in the world juniors. He’s one of the best, if you can’t see that you’re deliberately closing your eyes.
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Fair response. What would your thoughts on Corey Crawford be?
Crawford is another guy who gets no credit because he played on a team with Kane, Toews and Keith in their primes, with one of the best coaches not named "Bowman" to ever stand behind a bench.
Every year Crawford starts 50+ games, he wins 30+. Since he became Chicago's full-time starter in 2010-11, he has one season with a save percentage under .910 (2011-12). In six of the last eight years, Crawford has a GAA below 2.40.
Crawford's two Stanley Cups:
23 GP 1.84 .932
20 GP 2.31 .924
Corey Crawford was an outstanding number one goalie whose career has been undone by concussions. He was on the 2016 World Cup team for a reason. And I can tell you this much: Chicago doesn't win two extra cups if they decide Antti Niemi is 'good enough'.
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Osgood is easily the most underrated goalie of all time.
Honestly, I blame his helmet. He isn’t flashy by any means, but was a solid, consistently well above average goalie.
Likewise I think MAF would be a Canadian legend if he didn’t have that unfortunate error in the world juniors. He’s one of the best, if you can’t see that you’re deliberately closing your eyes.
I had completely forgotten about this, but Chris Osgood has an honest to goodness goal to his credit.
The World Junior fiasco doesn't help Fleury's cause among the casual fan. He also has to wear a couple truly abysmal playoff performances (2012 and 2013).
I'm trying to come up with a good reason for Marc Andre Fleury's name to not be among the greatest Canadian goalies of all time, and the only thing I can come up with is that he doesn't have a defining international achievement.
When he burst onto the scene the year before going #1 overall, Canada didn't win the WJHC. The next year, amid much fanfare, the Penguins let him go play in the tournament and the famous bungle happens. After that, he never got a chance to take a starring role in a major international event. Luongo and Brodeur were justifiably ahead of him in 2010, and Carey Price's 2014 is the stuff of legend.
It's tough to imagine he'll ever get a decent opportunity to play for Canada on the biggest stage at this point. But if we all had a two-week period we could point to and say 'this was when the entire country was on the Fleury bandwagon' a la Curtis Joseph at the 1996 World Cup, I think that'd go a long way.
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MAF's WJC mishap and his crapping the bed in the playoffs will always tarnish his career. Also kind of lost his job to Murray. I don't think he's done enough for people to completely forget that stuff. Solid tender for the most part though.
MAF's WJC mishap and his crapping the bed in the playoffs will always tarnish his career. Also kind of lost his job to Murray. I don't think he's done enough for people to completely forget that stuff. Solid tender for the most part though.
Yet he has more cup rings than our Franchise and a bunch of other teams as well
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He wasn't Brodeur or Hasek. I just looked this up, apparently the Hall has only elected three goalies since 2003. That's absurd, and worthy of further investigation. Joseph, Richter and Osgood all belong.
Kiprusoff is the best goalie Finland has ever produced, he should be in.
I was informed by listening to the Oilers post-game show on 630 CHED last night that the Vegas Golden Knights have an 8–1 record since acquiring Mark Stone on TD Day. That sure sounds impressive, but what of that single, solitary loss? It was in Calgary, to the tune of 6–3, in a game in which Mark Stone was on the ice for four of the goals VGK allowed.
26 Feb v. Dallas — 4–1
28 Feb v. Florida — 6–5 (SO)
1 Mar @ Anaheim — 3–0
3 Mar v. Vancouver — 3–0
6 Mar v. Calgary — 2–1
9 Mar @ Vancouver — 6–2
10 Mar @ Calgary — 3–6
15 Mar @ Dallas — 2–1
17 Mar v. Edmonton — 6–3
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Osgood came out of southern Alberta. One of the hockey Dads from my son's team says he was only the 4th best goalie in his league (Cory Hirsch was one, I can't remember the others). I always thought he was an average goalie who was on a great team.
Osgood came out of southern Alberta. One of the hockey Dads from my son's team says he was only the 4th best goalie in his league (Cory Hirsch was one, I can't remember the others). I always thought he was an average goalie who was on a great team.
Osgood was a decent NHL caliber goaltender. He benefited from being on a very good team. He is the type of goalie that many teams today would love to have on their teams, especially our very own Flames. You can trust that he won't hurt you and he may keep you in some games, but he wouldn't hurt you with regular softies.
Osgood was a decent NHL caliber goaltender. He benefited from being on a very good team. He is the type of goalie that many teams today would love to have on their teams, especially our very own Flames. You can trust that he won't hurt you and he may keep you in some games, but he wouldn't hurt you with regular softies.
Osgood was a decent NHL caliber goaltender. He benefited from being on a very good team. He is the type of goalie that many teams today would love to have on their teams, especially our very own Flames. You can trust that he won't hurt you and he may keep you in some games, but he wouldn't hurt you with regular softies.
Nobody 'decents' their way to 400 wins and two Stanley Cups over an 18 year NHL career.
