2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DoubleK]

Bennett (50% retained) for a roll of sock tape.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by fleury

These are the takes I generally disagree with. Toffoli, at the end of his LA days was a third line player who was slow, without finish, but grinded it out. He’d be a third liner on most teams. He very likely signed at a discount to go to his favourite team, Montreal. He’s exceeded expectations dramatically and found a new life. There was little indication at the time this would happen. In hindsight, great, but I generally agreed with passing on him given his past performance and higher salary he’d have demanded on any other team but Montreal.

Toffoli was on pace to score 25.44 goals over 82 games if you pro-rate his 18 goals in 58 games with the Kings last year. That would have put him on pace to be top 70-75 in the league amongst forwards. That is one hell of a team if he is on your third line. He has either scored more than 20 goals or been on an 82 game pace to score more than 20 goals in 6 of the last 7 seasons.

[Cowtownred]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving is finally going to bite on the Bennett for Virtanen deal.

Nah. Treliving will nail a Bennett for Debrusk trade.

[Incogneto]

I’d still like to see Bennett + for Rakell.


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[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why does Detroit trade the guy they are building around?

Forsberg has more trade value than Johnny due to extra term. And Bennett isn’t worth more than a 2nd.

You’ve done a decent job identifying players Calgary can use. You just haven’t considered the needs of the other team.


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They have the Same term FWIW.

[Yobbo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sam Bennett had a four goal game...bottles the mind

8 goals last season

It really does boggle the mind.

[scotty2hotty]

One of my favourite CP-isms is when people correct or mock someone for saying ‘mind bottling’

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by yobbo

it really does bottle the mind.

fyp

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Toffoli was on pace to score 25.44 goals over 82 games if you pro-rate his 18 goals in 58 games with the Kings last year. That would have put him on pace to be top 70-75 in the league amongst forwards. That is one hell of a team if he is on your third line. He has either scored more than 20 goals or been on an 82 game pace to score more than 20 goals in 6 of the last 7 seasons.

Toffoli would not score 25 goals on the third line.

That was Sutter’s mistake.


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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Yobbo

It really does boggle the mind.

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[GioforPM]

Toffoli would have been a good add. To some degree this offseason had some priority issues: RW v. Markstrom. And they needed to replace Brodie with Tanev or an equivalent. Even if they re-signed Brodie, it’s Tanev money.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Yobbo

It really does boggle the mind.

Didn't Olli Jokkinen get a hat trick in his first Flames appearance?

Then he never scored again, ever, is what it felt like.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

Didn't Olli Jokkinen get a hat trick in his first Flames appearance?

Then he never scored again, ever, is what it felt like.

The first game that Jokinen played in was also the return game for Jordan Leopold.

It was against Philly, and we dominated. It was amazing.

...and then the entire team got injured.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Am I crazy to want Wilson the most out of that list?

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/relat...-30-plus-years

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Toffoli was on pace to score 25.44 goals over 82 games if you pro-rate his 18 goals in 58 games with the Kings last year. That would have put him on pace to be top 70-75 in the league amongst forwards. That is one hell of a team if he is on your third line. He has either scored more than 20 goals or been on an 82 game pace to score more than 20 goals in 6 of the last 7 seasons.

The math is the math, so you're right there, but extrapolations don't take into account guys wearing down as the season goes along. Regardless, when you look at his skillset, he's definitely not a first line player on a championship team. Arguably a second line guy, but perfect third line player. Surely the Kings weren't a good team to the end of his tenure, but the guy was certainly not getting the league to take notice compared to his earlier seasons.


All I'm arguing is the guy wouldn't have come to the Flames at a cheap price. And even if he did, at the time it wouldn't have solved much. It has worked out very well for Montreal, but hindsight is always works out in ones favour. Given the information we knew at the time, most would pass knowing the overpay expectation. All hypothetical I know, but some suggesting they seen it coming surely couldn't.



Here's his hockeydb stats look at his seasons after 2015: (meh, not showing, check out any site for his pts. He really dropped off his trajectory after 2015.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

How about making these numbers a bit more effective by weighting where these GMs drafted in the first round.

From that perspective, is sutter's backlund pick the best first round pick the flames have drafted, when compared to where in the first round, over the last 20 years?

Is Gaudreau perhaps the biggest steal of a draft pick in the last 20 years?

Brodie, backlund, Giordano, ferland.. Maybe sutter wasn't all that bad either.
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Sutter's string of Chucko, Pelech, Irving, Nemisz did a lot of damage to the organization. Yes those are late firsts but dear good.
He was an AWFUL drafter.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sutter's string of Chucko, Pelech, Irving, Nemisz did a lot of damage to the organization. Yes those are late firsts but dear good.
He was an AWFUL drafter.

Agreed. My point is that the current team and the best years of this iteration were still built on previous GMS. Treliving isn't a drafting wizard either.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Agreed. My point is that the current team and the best years of this iteration were still built on previous GMS. Treliving isn't a drafting wizard either.

Nobody said that he is. The point being made is that the scouting staff under Button is very good. Treliving deserves sole credit for letting them do their job, especially given how they were hamstrung under Sutter.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Agreed. My point is that the current team and the best years of this iteration were still built on previous GMS. Treliving isn't a drafting wizard either.

Treliving has yet to really whiff on a relatively high draft pick. Unless it’s Parsons.

Lots of GM, if they last long enough, luck out on a late round pick. Those are precisely where you gamble on undersized guys or late bloomers.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Treliving has yet to really whiff on a relatively high draft pick. Unless it’s Parsons.

Parsons wasn't a whiff. His problems are nothing tbat could have been projected by the scouting staff. It is just unfortunate.


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