Off Season Trade rumours thread - Brodie, Frolik, Stone etc. Only

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You are focusing on just a small portion of those games.

Calgary got hugely outplayed in the series and certainly shouldn't think that they should have won the series except for some fluke plays..

Playoff hockey is all about momentum, had we found a way in game 2 we win that series with ease IMO, that was the spark that Colorado needed and they took advantage, the eventual cup champ Blues had no business winning game 5 against the Jets but it was the defining moment for them.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Wonder if the Pens and Bjugstad could be a fit. Can play RW or C. Right hand shot.

2 years left at $4.1 million AAV.

Pens can't be taking much salary back so probably need to get a 3rd team involved.

I’ll say this about Bjugstad. If Jankowski frustrates you with a lack of productivity or using his size to his advantage, Bjugstad will drive you absolutely insane. Has tools but no toolbox. Jankowski is already a better center, especially defensively and on the PK. The price tag should make you think twice. He was one of the contracts the Panthers needed to dump in order to improve the roster. Honestly I would rather keep Frolik and let him walk as a free agent.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Sometimes doing nothing is better than a knee jerk reaction and adding a contract that you are going to regret.

Plus I think Neal will bounce back.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My interpretation so far is as follows
- BT is somewhat limited by the Tkachuk contract situation. That is an x-factor that will define how much $$$ he has to work with. We see teams in similar situations. The Leafs seemingly are making moves and will somehow worry about Marner when they have to. The Canucks are adding cap space, and improving the team short-term, but feels like the wrong move long-term, and they have to deal with Boeser. The Jets and Lightning are in similar boats. The Flames appear not to want to back themselves in a corner
- It would also seem that BT has no appetite to move Brodie or Frolik as pure cap dumps or to give them away. Perhaps he is over-valuing them, but I would suspect he has a price in mind and if that price isn’t met, he will simply bring them back.
- The Kadri deal provides the bones of what BT is looking to do. It made sense. The fact that it fell through should not cause us to question the skills of the GM, because why it fell through appears out of his control
- I suspect we will still see a move or two, around Brodie and Frolik. But I also think the team largely will be brought back in tact. They will have this season to show that last season’s regular season was not a fluke, and that they can translate that success to the post-season. If not, I think next summer is the pinch point for some harder decisions and greater re-shaping of the roster around core pieces. Frankly I have questions about the roster and certain players and if you can win with them, but I can also buy giving the group another opportunity. Next summer though is a crucial moment for this franchise, and needs to be handled correctly.

Sounds exactly like a GM that learned a few tricks from Brian Burke. In regards to bringing the team back in tact while it's not sexy to fans that crave big trades and shiny new players added annually it's proven to work out for some teams such as the Capitals a season ago.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sounds exactly like a GM that learned a few tricks from Brian Burke. In regards to bringing the team back in tact while it's not sexy to fans that crave big trades and shiny new players added annually it's proven to work out for some teams such as the Capitals a season ago.

Difference being it was the way the season ended which is why many of us are clamouring for change. Without a doubt finishing first was unexpected and undoubtedly raised expectations. But to go down as bad as we did highlighted flaws with the team which need to be addressed but haven’t. We want a team that can contend for the cup not be a perennial playoff team.

Compounding the frustration is that we see teams around us making moves to address their weaknesses and/or cap situation. To date it has been crickets from our front office, albeit not from a lack of effort. However, results matter and to date nothing has transpired which is the source of our angst.

We are only in mid July but the longer this goes on, the greater the concern as rosters begin to settle and opportunities to change personnel dwindle. If we haven’t seen anything by the end of the month, the greater the chance that we are headed back to camp with the same team that laid an egg in the playoffs which doesn’t do much for consumer confidence.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Playoff hockey is all about momentum, had we found a way in game 2 we win that series with ease IMO, that was the spark that Colorado needed and they took advantage, the eventual cup champ Blues had no business winning game 5 against the Jets but it was the defining moment for them.

Skill factors into it also.

At the end of the day, the Flames were largely outplayed badly the whole series.

The Flames had no business being in game 2, much less winning it.

You make it sound like that without a few lucky breaks by the Avs, the Flames would have won the series with ease.

The Flames won the first game, why then didn't that momentum carry over to the next game, when Calgary was largely outplayed?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Sometimes doing nothing is better than a knee jerk reaction and adding a contract that you are going to regret.

Plus I think Neal will bounce back.

After months from being out of the playoffs, a move in July for sure is not a knee jerk reaction... Flames calculate every move.....

Flames have a very tough RFA to sign, however they will most definitely need to improve their roster in my view. Yes it can only be done by trades.....

List from the Flames point of view,

(a) sign RFAs
(b) move out contracts to make cap room
(c) Add grit players (i.e. not 4 liners) to remove the "to soft style" (i.e. Kadri rumor)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You are focusing on just a small portion of those games.

Calgary got hugely outplayed in the series and certainly shouldn't think that they should have won the series except for some fluke plays..

He is not, though. If anything this notion that Calgary was “hugely outplayed” from wire-to-wire, or that they “fluked” their way to anything in that series stems from being too focused on small portions.

The Flames were outplayed in two games: Games 3 and 5.

They dominated periods 2 and 3 of Game 1 and fully deserved the win. It looked like they were well on their way after that.

Game 2 was very tight, and very evenly played. Colorado had a 2 min stretch of offensive zone time that allowed them to tie it late, but up to then it was close. Calgary dominated OT, but Colorado won on a single, unfortunate break that gave MacKinnon a clear line to the goal.

Game 4 was very tight, and Calgary played a textbook road game. It took a 7 min stretch late in the third when everything fell apart.

AC is right. The series was closer in many respects than the outcome, and two terrible games by the Flames have miscoloured views of the entire thing.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Skill factors into it also.

At the end of the day, the Flames were largely outplayed badly the whole series.

The Flames had no business being in game 2, much less winning it.

You make it sound like that without a few lucky breaks by the Avs, the Flames would have won the series with ease.

The Flames won the first game, why then didn't that momentum carry over to the next game, when Calgary was largely outplayed?

Calgary was not “largely outplayed” in Game 2. As for momentum? Who knows. If it was as simple as turning on a switch there would never be any surprise outcomes.

I continue to maintain that people read way too much into a four game stretch that occurred in the playoffs. The Flames did not lose because of a skill deficiency or some uncorrectable flaw in the roster. It was very much about timing and momentum.


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[flambers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Calgary was not “largely outplayed” in Game 2. As for momentum? Who knows. If it was as simple as turning on a switch there would never be any surprise outcomes.

I continue to maintain that people read way too much into a four game stretch that occurred in the playoffs. The Flames did not lose because of a skill deficiency or some uncorrectable flaw in the roster. It was very much about timing and momentum.

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Flames went into the playoffs struggling to find consistency.

Their 1st line was playing poorly...this tend continued right through the 1st round...

Flames need to view the last 20 games of the regular season and figure out what caused the drop off in play....

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Sometimes doing nothing is better than a knee jerk reaction and adding a contract that you are going to regret.

Plus I think Neal will bounce back.

I somewhat agree except for the fact that something has to give in order to sign Tkachuk + Rittich + Bennett. So I'm cool with them not signing a contract they'll regret but as others have previously pointed out, a trade or cap dump is essentially a must if we're gonna sign all of the above.

And Neal, well...I'm hoping he can bounce back but I sure as heck ain't holding my breath on that one - plus he's slow. I'd much rather have a faster more effective player take his place.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well the Flames flipped Brodie to the third pairing numerous times last season after games where he struggled. I'm not a Brodie basher but that suggests your "clear cut" monicker might be hastily laid.

Andersson coming on.
Team has depth
Brodie has a year left on his contract.

This is what NHL teams do to manage the salary cap.

there were 68 games where Brodie and Gio were on the Even strength for more than 10 minutes

There were 5 games where they were on the ice less than 10 minutes. Brodie was paired with Prout for 4 of those games.

In the playoffs Brodie and Gio were together for 4 games ... Anderssen and Gio game 3 where the Flames were blown out 6-2 Gio -2 / Brodie 0


RD Brodie , Hamonic , Anderssen ---- Brodie is somehow not the Clear cut
best RD on the team? He was the #1 ES toi d-man last season, even higher than Gio.

There is not one team in the league who would look at the Flames D last year and say we need to get Anderssen to play with Lindholm or Jossi or Morrissey or Keith on our #1 pairing.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Sometimes doing nothing is better than a knee jerk reaction and adding a contract that you are going to regret.

Plus I think Neal will bounce back.

This is isn't untrue... but I want some trades damnit!

[Stanley]

I think we're kind of stuck with Neal for a while unless Nashville wants to do us any favours...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames went into the playoffs struggling to find consistency.

Their 1st line was playing poorly...this tend continued right through the 1st round...

Flames need to view the last 20 games of the regular season and figure out what caused the drop off in play....

Purple Gatorade vanished at some point there.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

there were 68 games where Brodie and Gio were on the Even strength for more than 10 minutes

There were 5 games where they were on the ice less than 10 minutes. Brodie was paired with Prout for 4 of those games.

In the playoffs Brodie and Gio were together for 4 games ... Anderssen and Gio game 3 where the Flames were blown out 6-2 Gio -2 / Brodie 0


RD Brodie , Hamonic , Anderssen ---- Brodie is somehow not the Clear cut
best RD on the team? He was the #1 ES toi d-man last season, even higher than Gio.

There is not one team in the league who would look at the Flames D last year and say we need to get Anderssen to play with Lindholm or Jossi or Morrissey or Keith on our #1 pairing.

You basically ignored what I said.

Top pairing defensemen don't get experimented with on third pairings unless they are a) dissatisfied with how they are playing b) looking at life without the player.

This is the way the league works.

He has one year left and is a UFA, and the Flames have players pushing from the top.

Brodie was attacked on this site all winter. It wasn't the peaches and cream you're making it sound like.

[Bingo]

Saw on twitter that Dustin Nielson from TSN Edmonton radio is suggesting Calgary and Edmonton may have something brewing.

Take that for what you will.

[Flash Walken]

Neal for lucic and puju.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Neal for lucic and puju.

Mike Smith and Pool Party for Talbot?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Saw on twitter that Dustin Nielson from TSN Edmonton radio is suggesting Calgary and Edmonton may have something brewing.

Take that for what you will.

Gross, I hope this is one of those doofus for doofus deals where both guys end up in the AHL, because there is very little on that roster I want anywhere near the Flames. Certainly not anyone they would be willing to part with.