The 2022-23 Flames Should Rebuild and hope to get Connor Bedard

[GranteedEV]

This core isn't worth doubling down on. Hang on to Mangiapane, Kylington, Andersson, Backlund, Tanev, Lindholm as transition players. If you can get great returns in terms of picks and prospects the last three guys on that list should be gone too.

Let Gaudreau, Zadorov, Gudbranson walk.
Let Sutter walk if he doesn't want to rebuild.
Trade Tkachuk for the best return. Too slow.
Let Monahan stick around for the cap floor.
Trade Toffoli, Coleman for picks.
Trade Hanifin for the best anyone will pay
Promote Ruzicka, Pellettier, Wolf, Valimaki and Phillips to the NHL.
See if a team will take Markstrom.

Do it right for one damn time in my lifetime

[1qqaaz]

This team likely wins the series with 90% goaltending.

I think the real discussion should be Dustin Wolf and his development.

[Ashasx]

Realistically, if Gaudreau walks, the Flames should absolutely do nothing else but tank.

You can't replace that, especially when it likely means it will be even harder to retain Tkachuk long-term without him.

Look at the caliber of players leading the playoffs right now. You need high picks to get these types of players consistently.

[GGG]

No

[8sPOT]

Kylington was the worst d man in the playoffs. Was way over his head, he can walk.

[Mr.Coffee]

the only way to win is to figure out how to get the bookies and gamblers on your side, so that the NHL fixes it your way not opposite.

Rigged league.

[Vinny01]

We need 2 threads on this?

[Moneyhands23]

Who knows. End of the day this team for whatever reason can't get over the mental part in high pressure games.

So many guys just abandoned the systems and couldn't make a pass or handle the puck (markstrom included). I don't know if that's something that you can fix.

Tkachuk really baffles me. His foot speed is one thing, but his intensity and smarts all evaporated.

It's a big problem that has no easy answer.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

We need 2 threads on this?

Check the timestamps. I was typing this one up as that one was being posted

[Erick Estrada]

This is a Darryl Sutter coached 111 point regular season team. Even if they lose Gaudreau it's virtually impossible that they could be bad enough to be able to pick 1st overall next year so this thread seems pointless. Better odds of the Flames winning the Stanley Cup in 2023 than picking 1st overall.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is a Darryl Sutter coached 111 point regular season team. Even if they lose Gaudreau it's virtually impossible that they could be bad enough to be able to pick 1st overall next year so this thread seems pointless. Better odds of the Flames winning the Stanley Cup in 2023 than picking 1st overall.

100 percent agree with this. Even if they choose to go rebuild route ( doubtful) , they are nowhere near at the suck level that a team like Arizona is for Bedard. This isn’t a video game where you can trade all your talent off in one off season.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

100 percent agree with this. Even if they choose to go rebuild route ( doubtful) , they are nowhere near at the suck level that a team like Arizona is for Bedard. This isn’t a video game where you can trade all your talent off in one off season.

Apparently there are 3 franchise players in this draft

You can’t tank for 1 but 3 is possible

That said the Flames are not going to do it willingly

[Pipty]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

100 percent agree with this. Even if they choose to go rebuild route ( doubtful) , they are nowhere near at the suck level that a team like Arizona is for Bedard. This isn’t a video game where you can trade all your talent off in one off season.

Don't know about that, I'm sure Montreal thought the same year before. Chances are higher that they suck bad enough to have a lottery chance then to win the cup. A roster without Gaudreau and Tkachuk they would struggle to score. Minus a few D that outperformed this year (regular season) and look at that roster we would have.

[Erick Estrada]

Fans should realize that there are going to be at least two or three teams that actively tank for him next season and the Flames would have to be next level bad (a feat they have never accomplished in their history even with really bad rosters) to nab the 1st overall pick.

[dash_pinched]

This thread is worse than the no-goal call last night.

[theg69]

People need to step off the ledge. I get it sucks to lose to your rival, but after all that tanking the oilers did, they needed TWO generational talents and how many years to make it to the conference final. Even then, it required a historically bad goaltending performance from us for them to get there.

If the flames tank, we would be more likely to end up like the Sabres, how far did they get with Eichel, who was also supposed to be generational?

[Flames_F.T.W]

I understand why there are fans that want the rebuild to acquire top talent that's only available at the top of the draft. But these fans like to pretend that ownership will even consider doing this. The won't. They'll try for the playoffs every year unless a rebuild is unavoidable. Flames won the division and made the second round of the playoffs. Many of their best players are in their prime. There's no way they'll go scorched earth. Even if Calgary loses all of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapanne and Kylington this offseason, they're still likely to be better than Arizona and Montreal

[FiveSeven]

Screw the moral high ground of not tanking. Being mediocre is more painful than ANYTHING.
You can’t make players tank but you can sell everything worth anything.
I’m indifferent to everything at this point but if ‘tanking’ gets you picks to build a cup winner vs being average forever I’d take the former.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

Screw the moral high ground of not tanking. Being mediocre is more painful than ANYTHING.
You can’t make players tank but you can sell everything worth anything.
I’m indifferent to everything at this point but if ‘tanking’ gets you picks to build a cup winner vs being average forever I’d take the former.

Calgary is so far from being able to tank, it's not worthwhile even discussing.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary is so far from being able to tank, it's not worthwhile even discussing.

Well the whole idea is to trade our best 6 players and replace them with AHL players and have 35 million in cap space that we won't use.

That might give us like a 15% chance at a lottery pick. And we'd get worse as any competitive player now think's we're a joke.