08-20-2021, 10:22 AM
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#41
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Originally Posted by Buff
Just because a player is going to be UFA at the end of the season doesn't mean that the team is going to lose that player for nothing. There is still a chance of signing with the team he's currently with.
3rd consecutive one year contract. Maybe he likes negotiating every year?
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Or maybe he has specific destinations in mind and is not wanting to give up UFA years.
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08-20-2021, 10:23 AM
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#42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
I don't think they're super high on Zadorov, so they didn't want to offer him term.
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So why spend a pick to get him?
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08-20-2021, 10:23 AM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Just because a player is going to be UFA at the end of the season doesn't mean that the team is going to lose that player for nothing. There is still a chance of signing with the team he's currently with.
3rd consecutive one year contract. Maybe he likes negotiating every year?
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more likely each team over estimates what he'll bring on the ice and lets him go.
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08-20-2021, 10:23 AM
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#44
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
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“It’s a good contract because it’s a bad contract but short so it ends soon”
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08-20-2021, 10:25 AM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
The dollar figure is still far too high, though.
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It's really not though.
Poolman just got $2.5M
Ceci got $3.25M (and 4 years)
Hamonic got $3.0M
Forbort got $3.0M
Maybe a slight overpay of $500k but I think the Flames intention here was to keep it to a 1 year deal. If he ends up fitting in then you can re-sign him in the season, if he doesn't work out then you probably can recoup your pick at the deadline.
Keeping the term down here is a positive, not a negative.
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08-20-2021, 10:25 AM
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#46
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First Line Centre
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I think it’s a smart move for this season. Good chance for a player like him to thrive under Sutter’s system and he’ll be motivated in a UFA contract year. He can end up costing more to retain if he has a good season but it also minimizes the risk of he’s not a good fit.
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08-20-2021, 10:26 AM
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#47
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Well I'm glad we didn't sign him long term as I'm not sold on the player.
But I'm also not thrilled we gave up a pick for a one year rental. Now there is the chance of dealing him at the deadline but IMO there's no way this Sutter coached team isn't in the mix for playoffs.
So I guess it's OK. Hope he's decent.
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08-20-2021, 10:27 AM
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#48
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
It's really not though.
Poolman just got $2.5M
Ceci got $3.25M (and 4 years)
Hamonic got $3.0M
Forbort got $3.0M
Maybe a slight overpay of $500k but I think the Flames intention here was to keep it to a 1 year deal. If he ends up fitting in then you can renegotiate, if he doesn't work out then you probably can recoup your pick at the deadline.
Keeping the term down here is a positive, not a negative.
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And all of those contracts are also very bad.
Anyway the one-year aspect of it is fine. It's just too much money for one year and an indictment of the Flames' decision to trade for this player in the first place. Just a pretty bad bet to acquire a low-upside player with a low-upside contract.
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08-20-2021, 10:28 AM
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#49
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Richmond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
So why spend a pick to get him?
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Needed someone to fill Gio's spot this year and maybe they didn't like the other options this year. It also might mean they are keeping their options open for next offseason because they see a player on the list they may be going for.
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08-20-2021, 10:28 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
So why spend a pick to get him?
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Because they had next to no options that they found palatable on the UFA market? Have you seen the list of guys that are available? Here are the top 10 UFAs by games played last year.
PLAYER TEAM AGE POS HANDED GP G A P P/GP +/- Sh Sh% TOI W L SO GAA Sv% CLAUSE EXPIRY CAP HIT SALARY
1. Zdeno Chara - 44 LD Left 55 2 8 10 0.18 5 67 0.03 18:19 - - - - - NMC UFA $795,000 $795,000
2. Erik Gudbranson - 29 RD Right 45 1 3 4 0.09 -12 58 0.02 17:54 - - - - - UFA $4,000,000 $3,000,000
3. Jason Demers - 33 RD Right 41 0 4 4 0.10 -4 44 0.00 17:14 - - - - - UFA $4,500,000 $3,600,000
4. Sami Vatanen - 30 LD/RD Right 39 2 4 6 0.15 3 55 0.04 17:01 - - - - - UFA $2,000,000 $2,000,000
5. Jordie Benn - 33 LD/RD Left 39 1 9 10 0.26 7 45 0.02 14:45 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $2,000,000 $1,600,000
6. Ben Hutton - 28 LD Left 38 1 4 5 0.13 -13 54 0.02 18:27 - - - - - UFA $950,000 $950,000
7. Erik Gustafsson - 29 LD/RD Left 29 1 11 12 0.41 -1 33 0.03 16:42 - - - - - UFA $3,000,000 $3,000,000
8. Michael Stone - 31 RD Right 21 2 2 4 0.19 -1 41 0.05 16:04 - - - - - UFA $700,000 $700,000
9. Braydon Coburn - 36 LD Left 19 0 2 2 0.11 -3 18 0.00 16:02 - - - - - NTC UFA $1,700,000 $1,600,000
I don't know about you but I don't want any of those guys over Zadorov.
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If we can't fall in love with replaceable bottom 6 players then the terrorists have won.
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08-20-2021, 10:28 AM
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#51
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
It's really not though.
Poolman just got $2.5M
Ceci got $3.25M (and 4 years)
Hamonic got $3.0M
Forbort got $3.0M
Maybe a slight overpay of $500k but I think the Flames intention here was to keep it to a 1 year deal. If he ends up fitting in then you can re-sign him in the season, if he doesn't work out then you probably can recoup your pick at the deadline.
Keeping the term down here is a positive, not a negative.
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Agreed. If he fits in this year negotiate a new contract with term. If he doesn't fit then no big loss. Hard to find anything to complain about here for me personally. Obviously CP feels differently but that's a given Hahaha.
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08-20-2021, 10:29 AM
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#52
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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They traded for Zadorov before the UFA market even opened, though. Maybe they just knew they were going to strike out if they didn't pull the trigger but idk.
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08-20-2021, 10:29 AM
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#53
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Because they had next to no options that they found palatable on the UFA market? Have you seen the list of guys that are available? Here are the top 10 UFAs by games played last year.
I don't know about you but I don't want any of those guys over Zadorov.
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Then don't do anything. Keep the pick and your costs low by elevating Valimaki and playing Kylington or Mackey on the 3rd pair.
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08-20-2021, 10:30 AM
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#54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
And all of those contracts are also very bad.
Anyway the one-year aspect of it is fine. It's just too much money for one year and an indictment of the Flames' decision to trade for this player in the first place. Just a pretty bad bet to acquire a low-upside player with a low-upside contract.
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I’m hoping the intangibles help like when Engelland was paid an amount people didn’t understand
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08-20-2021, 10:30 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Super happy we didn’t give him a multi year contract
I predict he will be the most hated player by fans on the team this year
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08-20-2021, 10:30 AM
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#56
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
I think it’s a smart move for this season. Good chance for a player like him to thrive under Sutter’s system and he’ll be motivated in a UFA contract year. He can end up costing more to retain if he has a good season but it also minimizes the risk of he’s not a good fit.
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Doesn’t that make it sort of a lose lose? He plays like he has been he isn’t worth the money if he takes a big step forward under Sutter you immediately have to pay him more
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08-20-2021, 10:30 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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As a reminder, a 3rd round pick has a very low shot of ever making the NHL, never mind playing a full season in a meaningful role. It's a small price to pay for a solid player who should fit well in Sutter's system.
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08-20-2021, 10:30 AM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Because they had next to no options that they found palatable on the UFA market? Have you seen the list of guys that are available? Here are the top 10 UFAs by games played last year.
PLAYER TEAM AGE POS HANDED GP G A P P/GP +/- Sh Sh% TOI W L SO GAA Sv% CLAUSE EXPIRY CAP HIT SALARY
1. Zdeno Chara - 44 LD Left 55 2 8 10 0.18 5 67 0.03 18:19 - - - - - NMC UFA $795,000 $795,000
2. Erik Gudbranson - 29 RD Right 45 1 3 4 0.09 -12 58 0.02 17:54 - - - - - UFA $4,000,000 $3,000,000
3. Jason Demers - 33 RD Right 41 0 4 4 0.10 -4 44 0.00 17:14 - - - - - UFA $4,500,000 $3,600,000
4. Sami Vatanen - 30 LD/RD Right 39 2 4 6 0.15 3 55 0.04 17:01 - - - - - UFA $2,000,000 $2,000,000
5. Jordie Benn - 33 LD/RD Left 39 1 9 10 0.26 7 45 0.02 14:45 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $2,000,000 $1,600,000
6. Ben Hutton - 28 LD Left 38 1 4 5 0.13 -13 54 0.02 18:27 - - - - - UFA $950,000 $950,000
7. Erik Gustafsson - 29 LD/RD Left 29 1 11 12 0.41 -1 33 0.03 16:42 - - - - - UFA $3,000,000 $3,000,000
8. Michael Stone - 31 RD Right 21 2 2 4 0.19 -1 41 0.05 16:04 - - - - - UFA $700,000 $700,000
9. Braydon Coburn - 36 LD Left 19 0 2 2 0.11 -3 18 0.00 16:02 - - - - - NTC UFA $1,700,000 $1,600,000
I don't know about you but I don't want any of those guys over Zadorov.
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When they traded for Zadorov, a lot more players were available through free agency. I mean he might still be a decent option over many of the contracts handed out. I’m fine with the player and okay with dollar value. I’m not a big fan of walking him to UFA though.
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08-20-2021, 10:31 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
And all of those contracts are also very bad.
Anyway the one-year aspect of it is fine. It's just too much money for one year and an indictment of the Flames' decision to trade for this player in the first place. Just a pretty bad bet to acquire a low-upside player with a low-upside contract.
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I think it's just the market for d-men.
$10M+ is an elite d-man now.
$7-10M is a top pairing dman (Nurse, Jones, Werenski)
$5-7M is second pairing / above average d-man
$2-4M pretty much gets you replacement level players.
$1-2M gets you 6/7 dmen or guys on show me deal.
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08-20-2021, 10:31 AM
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#60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Because they had next to no options that they found palatable on the UFA market? Have you seen the list of guys that are available? Here are the top 10 UFAs by games played last year.
PLAYER TEAM AGE POS HANDED GP G A P P/GP +/- Sh Sh% TOI W L SO GAA Sv% CLAUSE EXPIRY CAP HIT SALARY
1. Zdeno Chara - 44 LD Left 55 2 8 10 0.18 5 67 0.03 18:19 - - - - - NMC UFA $795,000 $795,000
2. Erik Gudbranson - 29 RD Right 45 1 3 4 0.09 -12 58 0.02 17:54 - - - - - UFA $4,000,000 $3,000,000
3. Jason Demers - 33 RD Right 41 0 4 4 0.10 -4 44 0.00 17:14 - - - - - UFA $4,500,000 $3,600,000
4. Sami Vatanen - 30 LD/RD Right 39 2 4 6 0.15 3 55 0.04 17:01 - - - - - UFA $2,000,000 $2,000,000
5. Jordie Benn - 33 LD/RD Left 39 1 9 10 0.26 7 45 0.02 14:45 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $2,000,000 $1,600,000
6. Ben Hutton - 28 LD Left 38 1 4 5 0.13 -13 54 0.02 18:27 - - - - - UFA $950,000 $950,000
7. Erik Gustafsson - 29 LD/RD Left 29 1 11 12 0.41 -1 33 0.03 16:42 - - - - - UFA $3,000,000 $3,000,000
8. Michael Stone - 31 RD Right 21 2 2 4 0.19 -1 41 0.05 16:04 - - - - - UFA $700,000 $700,000
9. Braydon Coburn - 36 LD Left 19 0 2 2 0.11 -3 18 0.00 16:02 - - - - - NTC UFA $1,700,000 $1,600,000
I don't know about you but I don't want any of those guys over Zadorov.
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That reminds me. When are we signing Michael Stone?
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