In my opinion - the only thing that could possible change things in the US is if someone leaks photos of the crime scene and people see 19 kids riddled with bullets. We all know the score of how this is going to go. It will be a story for 2-3 weeks and then the pro-gun side will come out with more lenient gun laws in the states you'd expect.
You may be right. Tough spot in the states because individuals have had the constitutional right to have a gun since 2008. So not much you can do when there is a long-standing constitutional right recognized by the SCOTUS for almost 14 years. I mean of course SCOTUS overturned well established law in the US that the constitution did not give individuals the right to bear arms but this SCOTUS is never going to do that.
I think this dispels the notion that it was a hostage situation and police didn't go in because they didn't hear shots. Shots could be heard in the 911 call.
I think this dispels the notion that it was a hostage situation and police didn't go in because they didn't hear shots. Shots could be heard in the 911 call.
It still really seems like a dilemma. Without knowing the shooter’s motives and end-game, will going in result in more children being shot?
The US is a messed up place. So whether they regulate guns or regulate ammunition they need a plan to stop the utter ease of which these shootings can be carried out. But, I still don’t think anything meaningful will happen until it’s the politicians either bet bribed by the anti-gun interests or it happens to their loved ones.
You...do NOT want to hear that. That kind of #### stays with you your entire life.
Of course you don't. But absolutely nothing is going to happen if nothing is released. Likely nothing will happen if they are released but shielding people from the carnage these gun laws help occur is how they get passed.
Mass shooting actually lead to more lenient gun laws being passed.
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Semi-off topic but I just heard about this stunt while listening to CBC Radio: former NRA president gets punked HARD by an anti-gun group. It's got poignancy here:
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I don’t think it’s as binary as that. It’s not like the police open the door and there he is ready to be taken out.
Active shooter = you have to go in.
The guys who didn't eventually go in went in against orders from whomever was in charge.
The police sitting around with the thumbs up their ass were using aggressive methods to keep parents from going in.
I think we are seeing the other side of police militarization in the US. Cops who like to act tough with their fancy SWAT gear and Big Betty vehicles, but in theory they are just a waste of taxpayer money.
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The irony here is they want their teachers to be armed to fight off any would-be school shooters, yet their much more heavily armed cops are afraid to enter the school.
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The guys who didn't eventually go in went in against orders from whomever was in charge.
The police sitting around with the thumbs up their ass were using aggressive methods to keep parents from going in.
I think we are seeing the other side of police militarization in the US. Cops who like to act tough with their fancy SWAT gear and Big Betty vehicles, but in theory they are just a waste of taxpayer money.
Departments for police cosplay.
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You...do NOT want to hear that. That kind of #### stays with you your entire life.
I totally believe that, by just reading the recounts of what that little girl said has stuck with me and I had nightmare the night I read it. Absolutely terrifying for me.
I totally believe that, by just reading the recounts of what that little girl said has stuck with me and I had nightmare the night I read it. Absolutely terrifying for me.
There are some things you can never unhear. A terrified child begging you for help that you can't provide is one of them.
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This shooter was a real sicko who shouldn’t have had those weapons in the first place, what he did is unfathomable and that’s what should be the focus on so it won’t happen again.
Not sure it was posted but interesting to hear this classmate say the shooter was not bullied and was, in fact, the one that initiated conflicts with everyone else. It's anecdotal but it doesn't seem to me like he's lying and I suspect this take will be corroborated.
Has there been any clear explanation to this point of how the shooter got past the armed school resource officer? I've seen it claimed in several reports that the officer did encounter the shooter on his way into the school, but I haven't heard anything about what that encounter consisted of.
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FML…the critical incident commander should be hung for his ineptitude. I’m disgusted by his inaction and quite frankly his dereliction of duty. Children died because he was either too inept or too cowardly to make the right call. Disgusting. These situations are hell on earth and initiated by psychos with some bizarre desire to harm innocents. It’s the police’s job to stop those animals from continuing their carnage asap. That clearly didn’t happen here. Just disgusting.
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