01-12-2019, 02:34 PM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Mattman
Ok well I'm not saying David Rittich is the next coming of Kiprusoff. Miikka is up there with the greats in terms of being a consistently amazing goaltender for about 10 years.
The similarity I'm talking about is this:
A Flames team, with no clear cut #1 goaltender, picks up a quirky mid 20's European goaltender. He doesn't have anything to prove to anyone but himself. No one really expected him to be here, but now he's making timely big saves and actually stealing games for the Flames.
He's athletic, flexible, incredible quick reflexes, and when the camera is on him during game time, he looks dialed in.
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Rittich is also in play to get a Vezina nomination this year. There's no goalie with stats that lap the field so Rittich's 17-4-3 record could come into play. Gibson is most people's favourite right now but he's got the same saver percentage and a lot worse GAA.
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01-12-2019, 03:08 PM
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#142
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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It's really interesting how a goalie's projection is so hard to predict. Teams do such a good job with forwards and defensemen but are seemingly stumped when it comes to goalies. You get highly rated first round picks like Trevor Kidd, who end up being pretty average compared to his peers and on the other side, you get 7th round picks like Lundqvist who end ip being consistent all star goalies year over year.
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01-12-2019, 06:56 PM
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#143
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Rittich is also in play to get a Vezina nomination this year. There's no goalie with stats that lap the field so Rittich's 17-4-3 record could come into play. Gibson is most people's favourite right now but he's got the same saver percentage and a lot worse GAA.
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Rittich will definitely get some votes. But actually, Gibson’s GAA is actually more impressive to me because it means he faces a lot more shots than Rittich. The Ducks allow a lot of shots and high quality chances, ao Gibson has really saved them from disaster this season. He’s been the best goaltender in the NHL this season, whether or not he wins the award though remains to be seen.
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01-12-2019, 07:13 PM
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#144
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
Rittich will definitely get some votes. But actually, Gibson’s GAA is actually more impressive to me because it means he faces a lot more shots than Rittich. The Ducks allow a lot of shots and high quality chances, ao Gibson has really saved them from disaster this season. He’s been the best goaltender in the NHL this season, whether or not he wins the award though remains to be seen.
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I think Fleury wins it this year. The Vezina recipient is selected by NHL general managers, and they have a tendency to set a very high priority on legacy. Fleury has never won before, and he likely does not have many opportunities left.
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01-12-2019, 07:30 PM
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#145
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All I can get
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Mike Smith was acquired with the notion that one of Gillies or Rittich would supplant him as starter by Year Two. Which is indeed the case now (although more of a push from Gillies would've been better).
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01-12-2019, 07:54 PM
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#146
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by activeStick
It's really interesting how a goalie's projection is so hard to predict. Teams do such a good job with forwards and defensemen but are seemingly stumped when it comes to goalies. You get highly rated first round picks like Trevor Kidd, who end up being pretty average compared to his peers and on the other side, you get 7th round picks like Lundqvist who end ip being consistent all star goalies year over year.
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I think it's because so much of a goalies game is mental. The best goalies are able to maintain that cool and keep confident when conditions may not be optimal.
It's easier to predict a skater's future based on physical tools, size, skating, speed, etc. So much harder to get in between the ears of an 18 year old goaltender and know if what's working in his head as a junior will continue as a pro.
I can't remember who I was listening to recently, but I think it was Brent Krahn or maybe Hrudey who estimated something huge like 90% of a goalies game is upstairs. Once that confidence and coolness is shot it can go downhill fast. It seems to work the other way too.
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01-12-2019, 10:33 PM
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#147
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
I can't remember who I was listening to recently, but I think it was Brent Krahn or maybe Hrudey who estimated something huge like 90% of a goalies game is upstairs. Once that confidence and coolness is shot it can go downhill fast. It seems to work the other way too.
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Agreed, speaking from my own experience, it's all about the right mind set and being able to sustain it for the full lenght of a game. Great goalie never worry about letting in a goal. On the contrary, he is welcoming a high danger chance in front of him as an opportunity to show your worth and steal some spotlight for himself. But even if you have that, there will be moments in the game when it's hard to not be overwhelmed by circumstances. For example a PK late in the third, being up by one while your best D is sitting in the box. Those are defining moments for a goaltender. Coming up huge when your team needs it the most, but at the same time do not make any difference in how you play and think, despite the scoreline or time left on the clock. It's easier said than done.
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01-13-2019, 06:18 AM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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My favorite thing about Rittich is his consistency. He has let in more that three goals only twice this season, and has only been pulled once, and I feel that's very descriptive of his game. Some goalies will have more shutouts and highlight saves, but there's few better at just stopping enough basic shots night in and night out.
He will lose us a game at some point because even the best have bad nights, but overall I'd argue he's among the most consistent goalies in the league.
This is also why I think he's got an excellent chance to be exactly the long term starter we want: someone with a relatively low cap that will even allow us to sign a 1B if we can get one, and someone who can give us a chance every game and every year.
Not a Lundqvist or a Kipper but more of a Crawford. Good Enough Goalie.
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01-13-2019, 12:12 PM
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#149
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I think Fleury wins it this year. The Vezina recipient is selected by NHL general managers, and they have a tendency to set a very high priority on legacy. Fleury has never won before, and he likely does not have many opportunities left.
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That’s certainly a possibility. I do wonder if Ducks miss the playoffs, does Gibson get enough votes to nominated. I personally think he should, but sometimes voters have a tendency to penalize players and drop them down their list if their team doesn’t make the playoffs.
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01-13-2019, 04:30 PM
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#150
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Scoring Winger
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I don't think goalies should be signed long term anymore. Everything is changing so fast from year to year and you never know which goalie is going to do well. There is just too much risk when it comes to goalies these days and I think GMs started realizing that by taking less goalies in the early rounds.
I think the next thing we see are smaller contracts. Maybe Treliving can work his magic and set the pace.
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01-16-2019, 09:03 PM
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#151
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Draft Pick
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Globe Cinema
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ESPN showing David Rittich some love:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/2...-flames-season
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Sure, it helps when Johnny Gaudreau and Sean Monahan have 27 and 25 goals, respectively. And yes, it's been nice to have Elias Lindholm and Matthew Tkachuk break out. Even the defense has been stout. But the real reason the Flames haven't fallen behind the Vegas Golden Knights or San Jose Sharks in the Pacific Division? David Rittich.
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01-17-2019, 07:31 AM
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#152
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#1 Goaltender
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David Rittich's sv% is at .917 right now. Down a bit from a couple weeks ago. If he stays around there, that should keep the cap hit at a reasonable amount.
But at the same time, kind of goes to show the team needs a better back up option than Mike Smith at his point. Rittich is still just second year goaltender and Treliving needs to shore up this position and give the Flames 2 legitimate options that can inspire confidence. I think Smith can beat the Arizona Coyotes in a 7 game series, but against stiffer competition in the playoffs, I fear he might fold like he did against Boston a few games ago.
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01-17-2019, 07:49 AM
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#153
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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When did he start getting the Big Game Dave moniker?
Big Save Dave sounds perfect
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01-17-2019, 03:09 PM
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#154
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by activeStick
It's really interesting how a goalie's projection is so hard to predict. Teams do such a good job with forwards and defensemen but are seemingly stumped when it comes to goalies. You get highly rated first round picks like Trevor Kidd, who end up being pretty average compared to his peers and on the other side, you get 7th round picks like Lundqvist who end ip being consistent all star goalies year over year.
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It's easy - when a team plays like crap in front of a goalie consistently, of course the goalie's gonna get a lower save per game percentage or a not-so-great winning percentage. Playing with a good team makes you look better as well, unless if you're Kipper -that's a different story.
Thing I like about Rittich over Smith is that he's pretty consistent and you're pretty confident about him making the saves. With Smith and other butterfly goalies (Hiller comes to my mind) is that they like to go straight down on their knees and don't get back up. Rittich has more athletic abilities and he can read the plays quite well.
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01-17-2019, 03:19 PM
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#155
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: BELTLINE
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01-18-2019, 04:05 PM
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#156
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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Man as much of a character Rittich is he's a great guy.
He brought his younger brother Thomas, who has autism, to a Flames practice so that he was able to meet Harvey the Hound.
https://www.nhl.com/app/flames/news/...ve/c-304030802
Great read and it's just a sweet video to watch him meet Harvey.
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"To have Tomas here and get to see the smile on his face every day - it's the best," David said. "I love him very much."
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01-18-2019, 04:16 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Mattman
Man as much of a character Rittich is he's a great guy.
He brought his younger brother Thomas, who has autism, to a Flames practice so that he was able to meet Harvey the Hound.
https://www.nhl.com/app/flames/news/...ve/c-304030802
Great read and it's just a sweet video to watch him meet Harvey.
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01-18-2019, 06:18 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Mattman
Man as much of a character Rittich is he's a great guy.
He brought his younger brother Thomas, who has autism, to a Flames practice so that he was able to meet Harvey the Hound.
https://www.nhl.com/app/flames/news/...ve/c-304030802
Great read and it's just a sweet video to watch him meet Harvey.
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Great story...
That's on top of David's own improbable journey to the NHL!
Didn't think it was possible to like the guy anymore, but i sure hope he is our #1 goalie for a long, long time...because you know he's going to be able to take care of his brother and the rest of his family with that money.
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01-19-2019, 12:15 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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Off the top of my head, my suspicion was that not many recent cup winning teams had their starting goalies win all 16 playoff games. Turns out I was wrong, but I also looked at whether they were the defacto #1 for that whole season or not (lower GP might also have been due to injury)
Playoff wins by starting goalies in cup winning seasons: (reg season GS that year)
Holtby: 16 (54)
Murray: 7 in 2017 (47), 15 in 2016 (13)
Crawford: 13 in 2015 (57), 16 in 2013 (28)
Quick: 16 & 16 (68, 49 in '15 - injury?)
Thomas: 16 (55)
Niemi: 16 (35)
Fleury: 16 in 2009 [and 9 in 2017] (61 - 2008 + 34 & 46 in '17 and '18)
Osgood: 14 (40)
Giguere: 13 (56 GP - no GS stat on hockey ref before this year)
Ward: 15 (28 GP)
Khabibulin: 16 (55 GP)
Looking at the times 'elite workhorse ' goalies got to the finals, their GS was lower than typical:
in '12 when Brodeur started only 59 that year (he was 39 yo...)
Lundqvist started 62 in '14
Luongo 60 in '11.
Rask (34 - lockout year), Bishop (60), Jones (65), Rinne (59), Fleury (46).
Conclusion: Riding one goalie for 60+ starts in a season is unlikely to end with him raising the cup over his head. Even if you have a bonafide #1, their best playoff runs come when their reg season GS were kept under control. You rarely need your backup to win more than 1-2 playoff games, but you want them to take at least 25 reg season starts.
Rittich has started 25/49 so far. As painful as it was to see Smith get the nod so often, it's been hugely important to keep the end season number low. Riding him too hard early would have been a recipe for disaster.
I think Rittich has every potential to join the list(s) above. I also think you want to go into every season with two goalies who you wouldn't be unhappy to have start 50 games. Ideally this can be achieved for under $7M total.
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01-19-2019, 12:22 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
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^ or to put that another way...
Teams typically ride 1 goalie through the playoffs, and that is the standard path to success. However, in order to do that, the goalie needs to be well rested before the playoffs start. Being the workhorse all year, then continuing that in the playoffs, is just too much to ask.
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