[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

I was just reading the first 10 pages of this thread... And was going to post a similar comment. All doom & gloom getting bent over backwards. While it is half a season later and depending upon how Fox ultimately develops, this trade thus far is truly glorious for the Flames - especially with the contract extensions signed over the summer.

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Awfulawfulawfulawfulawful

Fold the team and move to seattle

Complete trash

Originally Posted by bigrangy

The Flames traded their best chip and didn't even get a 1RW or a 2C

Everytime I look at it it gets worse

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

[chockfullofgoodness]

This has shades of Tony Fernandez and Fred McGriff for Joe Carter and Robbie Alomar to it.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

You can't be serious

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

Think I'm tripping but did you just say
You ..Don't like the value?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

What? Hanifin is outscoring Dougie by quite a bit, his defensive game is way better, he's younger and on a far better contract. I don't think there's a GM in this league besides Chia that would trade Hanifin for Hamilton one for one at this point, I'm not sure what extra value you'd like to see

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

Way to not admit you were wrong.

[bigrangy]

value at the time, not right now obviously


BT probably laughs himself to sleep every night thinking about this one

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

You still don’t like the value? What is it that you don’t like about getting a 24 year old first line winger, right shot, defensively aware, every situation scoring st over a ppg makong $4.85M for the next 6 years? What about a 21 year old Dman on page for 41pts who also plays in all situations which includes the PK something that Hamilton did not do all while making $4.95M for the next 6 years?

What is it that you think Hamilton is of you do not like the value of Lindholm and Hanifin. Are you just trying to not admit you were completely wrong with your initial take?

[Torture]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

They don't air Carolina games on your cable package?

[FireGilbert]

Yeah if you go through the thread it reads like the GT from a Flames comeback win this season.

The start is cautiously optimistic but them after the full deal is announced things hit the fan and there are some crazy overreactions. Eventually everyone slowly comes around and we are super happy in the end though.

The craziest early posts were the ones getting angry at the trade when they thought it was only Hamilton for Lindholm and Ferland and then going off the rails after finding out Ferland and Fox were involved.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by chockfullofgoodness

This has shades of Tony Fernandez and Fred McGriff for Joe Carter and Robbie Alomar to it.

Does that mean Ferland is coming back for retirement stint later in his career?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

value at the time, not right now obviously


BT probably laughs himself to sleep every night thinking about this one

Just because you didn’t understand the value at the time, doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.



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[sureLoss]

Really curious what the Canes get for Ferland.

Lebrun says they are asking for a 1st + prospect right now, but with a seemingly buyer's market, do they get anything close to that?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Really curious what the Canes get for Ferland.

Lebrun says they are asking for a 1st + prospect right now, but with a seemingly buyer's market, do they get anything close to that?

At best they will get a conditional late first. The prospect will be "b" level at best


Still don't know what the canes were thinking of this trade? Tre even mentioned when Ferland was traded that he was going to get paid and they couldnt fit him in their budget. This should not have been news for the Canes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Really curious what the Canes get for Ferland.

Lebrun says they are asking for a 1st + prospect right now, but with a seemingly buyer's market, do they get anything close to that?

I can’t see it there are way better rentals on the market.

Shaping up to be a great deadline potentially for the Flames. A 3rd rounder and maybe future 2nd might be able t get the team the forward and Dman they need.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Really curious what the Canes get for Ferland.

Lebrun says they are asking for a 1st + prospect right now, but with a seemingly buyer's market, do they get anything close to that?

I just can't see it

If that's the price they are asking they'd better be on top of market pricing because there are a lot of ferland comparables out there this year.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Just because you didn’t understand the value at the time, doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.



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To be fair, I doubt even those who liked the deal at the time could have foreseen how it has turned out so far.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'll give a big ol slap to my past self apparently


I still don't like the value and goddamn would I like to watch Hamilton play under Not GG but all in all I think I am finally getting over it

So much in this post that I don’t like.

First off, you should be praising GG because he helped Hamilton’s game a lot. His game on both ends of the ice has seemingly fallen off a cliff since leaving the Flames. I think I saw the other day that he was playing on the 3rd pair, that’s how bad he’s been.

Secondly, Lindholm and Hanifin’s performance this season has been spectacular relative to expectations. To the point where they’ve made this trade pretty lopsided looking. I’ve been quite critical of this organization’s pro scouts over the years, but this is a trade they’ve gotten right.

Carolina has a chance to salvage this trade depending on how Adam Fox turns out for them. But even then, Lindholm has arguably been this team’s MVP up front and is signed for a sweetheart of a deal. So there’s certainly a lot to like about this trade from the Flames side.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I can’t believe that there are actually people even glancing in the rear view mirror at Hamilton. Thought the remarks were in jest.

I loved it when they dumped him and have gotten even more pleased over time.

This team’s results speak for themselves.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Really curious what the Canes get for Ferland.

Lebrun says they are asking for a 1st + prospect right now, but with a seemingly buyer's market, do they get anything close to that?

The Canes need to keep any forwards that can score. Not sure why they can't get a deal with Ferland given they have the most projected cap space of any team. Not exactly sure what their management is trying to accomplish but I wouldn't be impressed if I was a Hurricanes fan. It's projected to be a buyers market at the deadline so I don't know about being able to get a 1st round pick for Ferland.