Examining Current Top 20 Scorer "Value"

[Isikiz]

This has been an incredibly long and boring break. I was just curious about the concept of value - particularly points per $mil AAV of the top 20 scorers in the league. I wanted to see how the Flames players stacked up. I thought it might be an interesting jumping-off point to discuss how team success correlates with dollar value.

This only takes into account the current player AAV - of course we'll see a lot of these numbers decrease as players get re-signed, or new contracts kick in.

Including ELCs:

Spoiler!

Not including ELCs:

Spoiler!

Some teams that jump out of this are Tampa, Calgary, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Boston. It's quite incredible how far ahead both Point and Kucherov are in their respective groups - really tells a part of the story of why Tampa is dominating right now.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Isikiz

This has been an incredibly long and boring break.

This whole week and a half off thing is crazy!!!

5 days off (on top of all-star crap) in the middle of the season - what a dumb idea!!!


Nice work on those numbers. Thanks!

[djsFlames]

2nd in the league and the only riveting hockey content/articles on the Flames are coming from Toronto and New York in the 9 days.

I guess all the hometown media guys are on vacation too. Thankfully its over tomorrow but damn. Quiet as hell given the season they're having.

[Hackey]

I have a small fear that the break will affect the team. Probably has a lot to do with last year when we went into the All Star break unbeatable and came out of it like crap. This seems like a completely different team so I'm not that concerned but it has been a really long break. Hopefully the team can pick up where they left off or at least get back there sooner than later.

[Red Slinger]

If you were to compare those to average ice time it would really show the 'bang for the buck'.

[Eric Vail]

Does this mean Crosby and Kane have offered poor value to their teams?

I think their Stanley Cup rings suggest this isn't the case.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Does this mean Crosby and Kane have offered poor value to their teams?

I think their Stanley Cup rings suggest this isn't the case.

No, it doesn't mean that at all.
It simply shows the points per million in earnings for the top 20 scorers, and is what someone thought was interesting, and could be indicative of why certain teams are doing really well right now, by having certain players undervalued for their production.

If you took the Hawks and Pens during their peak cup years, maybe they would be more present...

[EldrickOnIce]

Interesting.
Be somewhat more interested in the opposite. These are the contracts that kill teams. Too hard to do league wide, but

[edslunch]

It does make me wonder how to value high end players. McDavid is ‘the best player in world’ - I don’t agree but to be fair his peers do - therefore he is paid a hefty premium. Now value can’t be measured by looking at his stats alone, but what is his real worth? I doubt you could trade anyone else on the list for him (maybe Sid) without adding +++ but would it be worth it?

I’m not specifically picking on McDavid. How much of a premium would a team pay for Crosby over another top 10C? It feels like salaries and trade value skew at the high end. Lindros was a great player but that return was insanely good.

[Isikiz]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Does this mean Crosby and Kane have offered poor value to their teams?

I think their Stanley Cup rings suggest this isn't the case.

Nah, it's purely just an examination of how valuable players have been to their respective teams in terms of point production, up to this point during this specific (2018-2019) season.

[420since1974]

I don't think that we have to worry about the Flame's play dropping off like last year.
Injuries aside, Treliving changed out 3/5 coaches and 9/23 of the starting roster from last season.
It's a much different team, so I doubt that they drop off much at all.
Actually, I really wouldn't be surprised if they continued their good play all season long.

The playoffs may be another matter, as there is not a lot of playoff experience on this team. They may have to lose during a deep run this year (WCF?), before they are ready to win it all next season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Isikiz

This has been an incredibly long and boring break. I was just curious about the concept of value - particularly points per $mil AAV of the top 20 scorers in the league. I wanted to see how the Flames players stacked up. I thought it might be an interesting jumping-off point to discuss how team success correlates with dollar value.

This only takes into account the current player AAV - of course we'll see a lot of these numbers decrease as players get re-signed, or new contracts kick in.

Including ELCs:

Spoiler!

Not including ELCs:

Spoiler!

Some teams that jump out of this are Tampa, Calgary, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Boston. It's quite incredible how far ahead both Point and Kucherov are in their respective groups - really tells a part of the story of why Tampa is dominating right now.

Awesome work. However, I feel it is important to point out that while Kucherov’s production is a bargain for TB now, he has a +$9 m extension kicking in next season which will drop his pts/m$ quite dramatically. The awesome thing to be emphasised for the Flames is the duration of cost control they retain for three of their top players beyond next year.

*EDIT* BTW, your signature is incredible.

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[Calgary4LIfe]

Really fortunate for Calgary that Treliving has been so good at re-signing existing players. Also, the entire scouting and development side of the business need more accolades for the job that they have been doing drafting these players - Tkachuk's performance on his ELC really helps this team perform.


That's the entire trick with the cap system - if you have more players that outperform their contracts than players that underperform, you should be in good shape, as long as the underperforming players don't have too high of a hit. Neal hurts this team compared to his cap hit, but the Flames can carry that right now without an issue. In fact, they are also carrying a very expensive insurance policy as the 7th (or 8th) defencemen in Michael Stone, who is usually a lower tier #4 defencemen. They can also carry a #4 center who is incredibly strong on draws, but is overpaid for the offence he provides.



Flames are a good looking team top-to-bottom. I haven't had this much faith in the organization from to bottom (players, coaching, management, scouting, development) since the late 80's.



Interesting graph to see. I wonder if you go back through the years, that if you don't see teams with a number of players exceeding their cap hit play winning the cup more often than not since the cap was implemented.