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Old 07-22-2019, 08:27 PM   #321
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I wonder how much Seasons ticket prices will increase upon the opening of a new arena.


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Old 07-22-2019, 08:28 PM   #322
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Does anyone have a link to any parking information?
No. But parking will be a #### show all while construction is ongoing.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:29 PM   #323
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:31 PM   #324
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So as my memory serves, the CalgaryNext fiasco was basically the Flames paying 1/3 and the city paying 2/3 - even though King bullshat it as a 50/50. The city's initial proposal was basically Flames 3/3, city 0/3 once all was said and done. So this fits nicely in the middle, heh.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:31 PM   #325
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I am glad the CMLC was involved as i feel that they will work towards ensuring the project works in the urban fabric...

A 50/50 split is a reasonable split now that there is a more substantive public component... the argument being public monies should be used for the public good. i believe this is much clearer in this proposal with the Stampede being involved...

I am sure there will be a part of the public that won't like the deal - there are ppl that will be against any kind of public spending... however, i think this is a deal that the majority of Calgarians can live with...

In the end i think this is as good a deal as calgarians can expect - the dome does need to be replaced and this will help to revitalize an area of the city that has long needed it.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:32 PM   #326
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Right on. I’m excited to see final renders. Inverted Bowl? Wonder how many suites it’ll have? Current boxes is around 80?
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:42 PM   #327
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Does anyone have a link to any parking information?
If this is a big boy city proposal there will be no parking associated with the building. *fingers crossed*
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:43 PM   #328
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As a finance guy, I can say this looks like a pretty close 33% split between each of the Flames, City and Users (ticket tax) when you discount back to the Present Value of the ticket tax.
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I would be ok with renewing the "corral" name for the arena: has good flames history, western roots with stampede flair, doesnt require special architectural design, and isnt a bland "place"/"centre"
Scotiabank corral isnt amazing but it's better than Scotia center v 8.0
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You sure its a basement and not just Edmonton?
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I would be ok with renewing the "corral" name for the arena: has good flames history, western roots with stampede flair, doesnt require special architectural design, and isnt a bland "place"/"centre"
Scotiabank corral isnt amazing but it's better than Scotia center v 8.0
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The Nexen Horseshoe.

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Essentially takes them god awful sight lines in Edmonton and mocks them for eternity. All while keeping that C of Red feel and minimizes the size of the arena while still having the 19k capacity. Makes sense? Add a ton of tech in there and boom. Entertainment center of Alberta.

EDIT: I think this is the direction theyre taking. All those earlier renderings in this thread had the Rosetti watermark on them.
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This deal appears to be the following

275 million City
11 million demo
40 million In kind land donation (from the how they are paying it slide)
0 dollars in property tax (this just continues the existing subsidy the city gives the flames)
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326 million City

155 million over 35 years works out to 100 million npv at 3% discount (my assumes city cost of borrowing.)
2.5 million in naming rights over 10 years. Nothing stated about next 25.
75 million in local sport over 35 years (some of this is new money but I suspect this a lot will be in kind and other things so I don’t think I would count it)
135 million in new property taxes (This again shouldn’t be counted as it is displaced from other areas of the city so not really new)

So the city pays about 184 million in NPV for an arena and continues the tax free subsidy of the flames.

I don’t understand why more money can’t be extracted from the Stampede as they free up a ton of extra space but I don’t really know much about Stampede finances. Maybe they don’t print money like they do in my head.

The flames end up paying 376 million using a 3% discount rate on the ticket tax cash flow. However if the flames use a 10% discount rate on future cash flows as a business might where having the money now is worth much more than it is to the city then the Ticket tax only cost them a 43 million NPV but for this I will just use the 3% throughout.

So in the end I think it breaks down with 184 million City of Calgary 376 million flames plus the city continuing its existing subsidy that would occur anyway.

It’s not a great deal for the city as in an ideal world the cap would be 20 million lower and each team would get a free arena every 30 years. But that would take all the cities in NA to get together and stop the foolish race to the bottom. However, it’s probably close to the maximum price the flames are willing to pay before considering moving. So the city did a good job here paying for roughly 1/3rd of the cost excluding land and 37% including the land value.

Pending all the other details coming out of course
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that looks to be a new concept rendering of a concourse that i don't believe was up on their website a few days ago when i visited to show a coworker.
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That makes a whole lot of sense makes me wonder why it hasn't been a thing a long time ago.
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I would be ok with renewing the "corral" name for the arena: has good flames history, western roots with stampede flair, doesnt require special architectural design, and isnt a bland "place"/"centre"
Scotiabank corral isnt amazing but it's better than Scotia center v 8.0
Fun fact: When the Corral opened, most people HATED the name. So much so that a couple sportswriters refused to even call the arena by its name until the Stampede and Calgary Stampeders threatened to revoke their press access.
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