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Old 12-02-2019, 04:58 PM   #181
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I was stuck behind a car going 40 in my neighborhood for a long stretch last week and it was driving me crazy as it's so slow. Driving 30 in a playground zone is only palpable because you know it's only for a few blocks and even at that I'm typically going 35 or so because it feels like you are at a cycling speed.
It's funny because those who agree with reducing to 30 are imagining the speed of a quiet side street (50 is too fast); while those oppose it are imagining Elbow Drive and every other collector road in basically every neighbourhood where 30 is retar-deadly (pun intended in this case) slow.


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It's funny because those who agree with reducing to 30 are imagining the speed of a quiet side street (50 is too fast); while those oppose it are imagining Elbow Drive and every other collector road in basically every neighbourhood where 30 is retar-deadly (pun intended in this case) slow.
And that's the issue -- people who support this doesn't realize just how sweepingly broad these changes are going to be. Add to that is they don't know, acknowledge, or care about the fact that pedestrian collisions in this city overwhelmingly occur on streets and in areas that won't be affected by this change at all.

It's Helen Lovejoy in legislative form -- won't someone think of the children!
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:25 PM   #184
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On collector roads (main streets in communities), going below 50 km/h is stupid, and the public needs to fight council on this to ensure it doesn't happen.

On residential streets (off of collector roads), 30 km/h isn't unreasonable. It's not necessary (that's what playground zones are for), but it's not going to bitch too much about that.
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And that's the issue -- people who support this doesn't realize just how sweepingly broad these changes are going to be. Add to that is they don't know, acknowledge, or care about the fact that pedestrian collisions in this city overwhelmingly occur on streets and in areas that won't be affected by this change at all.

It's Helen Lovejoy in legislative form -- won't someone think of the children!
First they came for our fluoride and I said nothing because I have no teeth.

Then they came for our School Zones and I said nothing because I live in a new suburb and they won't build a school in this neighbourhood for 20 years.

Now they come for my 50km/h speed limit and no one can speak up because we're all stuck in a traffic jam trying to leave our driveways.
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Now they come for my 50km/h speed limit and no one can speak up because we're all stuck in a traffic jam trying to leave our driveways.
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