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Old 06-16-2018, 10:17 PM   #441
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I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to but nobody was "doing their job". According to the woman, the man tried claiming he was a health inspector but the hotel said that was not true.
Sorry I thought you meant that white employees shouldn't approach people of colour out of fear of being called racist in general rather than these specific incidents.

I missread that.
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:02 PM   #442
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I am glad they caught and fined the people doing this.


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Old 06-19-2018, 12:54 PM   #444
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Not sure where to put this. I wonder how often women with any sort of online presence have to put up with this.





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Old 06-19-2018, 01:20 PM   #445
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44 per cent of American men and 37 per cent of women report being the target of online harassment:

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Old 06-19-2018, 01:27 PM   #446
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44 per cent of American men and 37 per cent of women report being the target of online harassment:
But there is also a difference between frequency and intensity, right? For example, I'm sure the percentage of asians that have experienced some sort of racism is the same as that for black people. But the intensity of the hate/racism asians experience is nothing like what black people encounter.
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But there is also a difference between frequency and intensity, right?
Your anecdote doesn't really tell us much about either.
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:55 PM   #448
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44 per cent of American men and 37 per cent of women report being the target of online harassment:

I wonder if the higher percentage for guys is because they're more likely to play games online. You can't go ten minutes in an FPS without getting called all kinds of slurs.

Do you have a link to an article to go with that chart?
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Old 06-19-2018, 03:01 PM   #449
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But there is also a difference between frequency and intensity, right? For example, I'm sure the percentage of asians that have experienced some sort of racism is the same as that for black people. But the intensity of the hate/racism asians experience is nothing like what black people encounter.
Read the study. It addresses severity.

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44 per cent of American men and 37 per cent of women report being the target of online harassment:

Pretty much as expected. Political views rank highest for cause, followed by physical appearance, race and gender.

In short, people are jerks, and abuse based on the way you were born (race, gender, appearance, sexual orientation, disability) has happened to 29% of Americans, while abuse based on thought-patterns or choice (political views, religion, occupation) was experienced by 22% of Americans.

Men are also far more likely to think online abuse is not a major problem, while young men (18-29) are more interested in speaking freely online than ensuring people feel welcome.
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...young men (18-29) are more interested in speaking freely online than ensuring people feel welcome.
Wait... this one doesn't seem particularly controversial.
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There's a wide gender divide in opinions on how much control should be imposed over social media. I expect the preference for much stronger laws and government control will win out in the end, not least because it jibes with the corporate agenda of reducing risk and controversy. I do wonder how much people will enjoy a China-style social media environment once it's imposed, step by small step.
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Wait... this one doesn't seem particularly controversial.
It’s not, just an anecdote. In fact, people over 30 (both male or female) lean more towards the importance of safety online, while the 18 - 29 crowd feels more strongly about speaking freely. Young men though are particularly skewed away from the importance of safety though, which is just interesting.

I would think that probably has something to do with the likelihood of males being perpetrators of online harassment. It’s just an odd skewing.
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Young men are just less risk-averse in general, so that's not that surprising, I would think.
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The law only concerns itself with legal ramifications. While I agree that “mob justice” re:internet outing doesn’t meet legal standards, the results are also not law-related, so it doesn’t matter.
I am a little confused by what you are trying to say, only because engaging in inappropriate online mob justice can very much be a civil and even a criminal legal matter.

Outing and denouncing someone as a racist if your only basis to make that accusation is the color of the person's skin as compared to your own could easily amount to defamation.

Outing and denouncing someone for something that they simply did not do can not only be defamation but could also fit within the definition of the criminal offence of conveying false or harassing information under section 372 of the Criminal Code.

Being offended and calling someone out directly to their face about what you perceive as their inappropriate conduct is very different than recording it and purposefully seeking 'mob justice' via the internet.
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I am a little confused by what you are trying to say, only because engaging in inappropriate online mob justice can very much be a civil and even a criminal legal matter.

Outing and denouncing someone as a racist if your only basis to make that accusation is the color of the person's skin as compared to your own could easily amount to defamation.

Outing and denouncing someone for something that they simply did not do can not only be defamation but could also fit within the definition of the criminal offence of conveying false or harassing information under section 372 of the Criminal Code.

Being offended and calling someone out directly to their face about what you perceive as their inappropriate conduct is very different than recording it and purposefully seeking 'mob justice' via the internet.
Yeah, not what I meant. I meant that the standard for mob justice on the internet is much lower than the standard of the law because the result of mob justice on the internet is also not able to perform the same function as the law (I.e. targets of mob justic aren’t being jailed, officially persecuted, etc). So to expect the same standard in both, or even to say “well, it’s not meeting this standard” is a false equivalency. It doesn’t meet the standard because they are in two entirely different categories (and broadly under the “repercussions for actions” category). It’s like saying a cheeseburger doesn’t taste the same as a BLT, they’re similar in construction but entirely different, so why WOULD they taste the same?

It had nothing to do with mob justice having no legal ramifications for the people engaging in it.
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I would guess those numbers are on track to go down, as the internet "safe spaces" are pretty well known and getting more robust controls all the time. The internet is already a very different place than it was 15 years ago, where marauding bands of edgy teens reigned supreme. I wouldn't want that number to drop to zero, there should still be places where ruthless #######s tear each others ideas to shreds and people shouldn't forget that the internet is an inherently dangerous place (ID theft, mob justice etc.) and is not a good place for exploring with a sense of naive wonder.
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I couldn’t find the original thread about this but that lady from BC who went on that racist rant at a Denny’s in Lethbridge got her job back at the dealership she was let go from.
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Another incident. The people who posted the video said a woman who lived across the street from where they were doing landscaping work walked over and started insulting them.



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