These people are dangerous, they are literally the worst of the untrained charlatan taking advantage of people with promises of miracle cures.
With Stephens he can cry about conspiracies by the government and big pharma, but at the end of the day, he and his wife murdered their kid. The weapon they used was a combination of ignorance and arrogance, but it might as well have been a pistol.
What really gets me mad about this guy, was at the time he was running a hukster store and selling products that were advertised as miracle cures for people with serious mental health problems like bipolar disorders. That to me is the top of the irresponsibility ladder.
And this lady going back on trial infected a person having breathing problems with magnesium? They should have found her guilty just for that.
Can we please add a sentence of "Just flush this turd" to the justice system.
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These people are dangerous, they are literally the worst of the untrained charlatan taking advantage of people with promises of miracle cures.
With Stephens he can cry about conspiracies by the government and big pharma, but at the end of the day, he and his wife murdered their kid. The weapon they used was a combination of ignorance and arrogance, but it might as well have been a pistol.
What really gets me mad about this guy, was at the time he was running a hukster store and selling products that were advertised as miracle cures for people with serious mental health problems like bipolar disorders. That to me is the top of the irresponsibility ladder.
And this lady going back on trial infected a person having breathing problems with magnesium? They should have found her guilty just for that.
Can we please add a sentence of "Just flush this turd" to the justice system.
They did find her guilty of involuntary manslaughter. The appeal court overturned the not guilty verdict and found her guilty. She is being sent back on trial for Criminal Negligence.
The phrase "there's a sucker born every minute" comes to mind upon hearing about one food vendor pitching an unusual product at the annual Car Free Day festival in Vancouver, British Columbia.
The tent selling unfiltered "Hot Dog Water" -- literally a bottle of water with a wiener floating inside -- for $37.99 a pop included some promising, if not dubious, claims. Such as helping consumers not only lose weight but also increase brain function, look younger and improve overall vitality.
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Sales of the water were brisk at the Sunday festival, according to Bevans, whose booth also offered accessories, such as Hot Dog Water lip balm and Hot Dog Water breath spray.
But what were consumers really being offered? A lesson, for those bothering to read the fine print at the bottom of his sign, which suggested he was conducting a piece of performance art, of sorts: "Hot Dog Water in its absurdity hopes to encourage critical thinking related to product marketing and the significant role it can play in our purchasing choices," it read.
Making clear that not everyone has time much less the eyesight to read the small print, one fairgoer tweeted: "The booth that sells unfiltered hot dog water is hands down the strangest thing at Car-Free day, and I have no idea -- literally none -- as to whether it is real or an elaborate stunt."
By the way, plus marks for using the term Weiner Water
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Not surprised they found a solid market for overpriced Wiener juice in Vancouver.
Always found it hilarious that there was a chiropractor in Yaletown (near Davie street) for years who had a big window sign stating his chiropractery could treat everything from asthma, COPD, crohn's disease, menstrual cramps, chronic fatigue syndrome, etc. The real clincher was that he also apparently had the simultaneous cure for too small breasts AND too large breasts, no joke.
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I think these people are charlatans and morons and should have had their other kids taken away. However they are entitled to a vigorous defense, just not 4 million bucks worth.
The last judge went light on sentencing for these two clowns, and then the Husband tried to make money on his website reporting on another Trial and selling their garbage on line.
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I think these people are charlatans and morons and should have had their other kids taken away. However they are entitled to a vigorous defense, just not 4 million bucks worth.
The last judge went light on sentencing for these two clowns, and then the Husband tried to make money on his website reporting on another Trial and selling their garbage on line.
They're entitled to whatever defence they can afford. Albertans should not be on the hook for their negligence. They are responsible for the death of their child. That has already been proven in the courts. They deserve nothing. People like this piss me off.
Tracey Tannis, a naturopath in Lethbridge, told court that Collet Stephan had called her clinic and told an assistant she was concerned her son had viral meningitis.
Tannis said she told the assistant to advise the mother to take the child to emergency, even though the clinic sold an echinacea tincture to the mother days later.
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I have to look up more about Terrie Shaw and her part in this.
The Crown also called Terrie Shaw as a witness. Shaw is a midwife and nurse who, in 2012, knew the Stephans and was helping Collet prepare for a home birth. On March 12, 2012, Shaw said she received a call from Collet, telling her that Ezekiel had fallen asleep in the bath and was sick with a cough. When she arrived at the home, Shaw said Ezekiel was sleeping but testified she noticed no outward signs of illness. "He looked like he was calm and comfortable and sleeping peacefully," Shaw said under cross-examination. She even checked the toddler with her stethoscope and noted he was "breathing peacefully, easily."
I'm not excusing the couple, but it probably didn't help that two days before the death that this woman, who was a nurse, seemed to think the child was fine.
although "Shaw said she and Collet searched meningitis on the family's laptop and she advised the mother to seek a medical opinion given the concern for the boy."
what slays me is in addition to all the stupid remedies, they also discussed "having a priesthood blessing performed."
what the hell was that supposed to do for the kid?
If that part about the mother calling and actually saying that she thought he had meningitis is true, that should be criminal negligence causing death at least, if not manslaughter and beyond.
I just can't even comprehend how you do not take your kid straight to emerg if you think he has something as serious as meningitis. That is just insane. I can't decide whether they should get locked up in prison or in an asylum.
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They should be made an example of so all the other parents who have bought into quackery think twice before following their lead. If they get off, it's going to embolden more parents to trust their witch doctor over medical science.
In short, they should be tossed in a vat of their own worthless cures.
I hate these smug idiots. The fact they got a retrial annoys me to no end.
I'm with you on the view of the parents, but our justice system is setup this way for a reason. Don't make me re-post the fantastic summary from the Garland murder trial/re-retrial thread from the lawyer here...
I'm with you on the view of the parents, but our justice system is setup this way for a reason. Don't make me re-post the fantastic summary from the Garland murder trial/re-retrial thread from the lawyer here...
I just don't agree they deserved a retrial based on a nurse looking at the kid for a couple minutes in their home. He was so stiff he couldn't go in a car seat when she drove him to a fake doctor.
I'm not excusing the couple, but it probably didn't help that two days before the death that this woman, who was a nurse, seemed to think the child was fine.
although "Shaw said she and Collet searched meningitis on the family's laptop and she advised the mother to seek a medical opinion given the concern for the boy."
The bolded are quite contradictory. Firstly, there is a pretty damn significant difference between nurses and doctors (not to denigrate nurses in anyway, it's a simple fact). Nurses are great at checking vital signs and many procedural skills. Diagnosis and treatment are a different kettle of fish...especially if you're examining a patient who is asleep (of course many specialized nurses are very strong within their areas of expertise, but that is because their patients already have a diagnosis...)
It is reasonable to question the competency of the nurse based on her association with the Stephans alone. It does not appear that the nurse was guilty of 'playing doctor' or offering unsound medical advice (at least based on these brief excerpts).
Patients in the emergency room can go from appearing fine at one moment to death's door in 15 minutes. The problem isn't that the Stephans didn't think the boy was ill. The problem was their persistent hubris in trying to manage his "care" for over 2 weeks before seeking legitimate medical attention.
Feb. 27, 2012: Ezekiel takes ill at the family home in Glenwood, Alta. His mother describes him as having a cold, stuffy nose and trouble breathing. “The sound he was making was heartwrenching. This isn’t the kind of sound you want to hear from your child,” she testifies later at the trial.
Feb. 28-March 5, 2012: Ezekiel is treated for what his parents believed to be croup, an upper airway infection that leads to a barking cough. In addition to regular smoothies, they give the boy olive leaf extract, garlic, hot peppers and horseradish. They also attempt to help his breathing with cool air and a humidifier.
March 5, 2012: Ezekiel seems to improve. His father says the boy is not 100 per cent, but he no longer has any difficulty breathing and is able to go to preschool. He plays with his toys and manages to eat some solid food.
March 6, 2012: Ezekiel suffers a setback. He is “unusually lethargic,” lays in bed the entire day and his only response is to moan unhappily. He doesn’t eat or drink and is exhibiting unusual neurological symptoms.
March 7, 2012: Ezekiel seems to improve again. His abnormal movements stop and he can watch TV, but still isn’t playing normally.
March 8-10, 2012: Ezekiel’s parents note he seems to be gradually improving. He regains a bit of his appetite, but is not active or playful.
March 11, 2012: Ezekiel’s symptoms worsen again. He refuses to eat or drink and is lethargic. His parents notice his body is very stiff.
March 12, 2012: Ezekiel’s body is so stiff that his back is arched. He is getting fluids through an eyedropper because he will not drink on his own. Meynders comes to the home and checks his vitals. She suggests he could possibly have viral meningitis and says she tells the mother she should take the boy to a doctor. “It did not jump out at me that he was that seriously ill,” Meynders testifies.
March 13, 2012: The Stephans head to Lethbridge to pick up an echinacea mixture from a naturopath. Ezekiel is too stiff to sit in his car seat and has to lie on a mattress in the vehicle. Back at home that evening, the boy stops breathing on a couple of occasions before his parents leave home to meet an ambulance. The breathing equipment in the ambulance it too large to properly help a small child. The boy is taken to hospital in Cardston and then to Lethbridge for transport to Calgary by air.
March 14, 2012: Ezekiel arrives at Alberta Children’s Hospital in Calgary where doctors tell the parents the boy is showing very little brain activity and the prognosis is bleak. He is put on life support.
March 16, 2012: Ezekiel dies.
The nurse was a minor-league rookie brought into a major-league ballgame in the 9th inning with her team already trailing by 10. Even if she had expressed great concern, does anyone have any confidence that the Stephan's would have listened?
March 6, 2012: Ezekiel suffers a setback. He is “unusually lethargic,” lays in bed the entire day and his only response is to moan unhappily. He doesn’t eat or drink and is exhibiting unusual neurological symptoms.
If you don't take your kid to a doctor at this point, you have failed as a parent. End of story.
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