Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

From the same government that turned a blind eye to election interference by the Chinese?

To me its hilarious how everything has become 'Russian disinformation.'

Invite a Nazi to HoC, stand up and cheer because Russian disinformation.
Ask a completely corrupt organization that absolutely doesn't have the best interest of Canadians in their mandate because Russian disinformation.

Sounds a lot like mccarthyism part 2.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

We're going to be overseeing podcasts for Canadian content now? Or is the language police going to force them to put out an additional version in french (or english)?

No.
No matter how may x's yoho posts by people who are blatantly lying about what is going on, neither of those is/is going to happen.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

No.
No matter how may x's yoho posts by people who are blatantly lying about what is going on, neither of those is/is going to happen.

What am I blatantly lying about? The thread is there for everyone to read.
The concerns are real, the fact you are asleep to it is up to you.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

What am I blatantly lying about? The thread is there for everyone to read.
The concerns are real, the fact you are asleep to it is up to you.

You’re not asleep?

What WOKE you up?

[CaptainCrunch]

Elizabeth May as the Speaker of the House. Oh yes please, I just want to watch that world burn.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

No.

No matter how may x's yoho posts by people who are blatantly lying about what is going on, neither of those is/is going to happen.

Originally Posted by Yoho

What am I blatantly lying about? The thread is there for everyone to read.
The concerns are real, the fact you are asleep to it is up to you.

Read what BBS wrote again, but slower this time. There’s not that many words to try to comprehend.

But I do think you deliberately post tweets by people who are lying, and then when people call you out on it, you just hide behind it and claim that they’re not your words.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Read what BBS wrote again, but slower this time. There’s not that many words to try to comprehend.

But I do think you deliberately post tweets by people who are lying, and then when people call you out on it, you just hide behind it and claim that they’re not your words.

Not at all Pepsi and I had a great back and forth going over implications of this CRTC thing. Focus on something else.

Sorry if you think Poliviere is lying.

[Firebot]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...8-falls-short/

But in an e-mailed statement on Monday, the final day of a month-long public consultation period on the draft regulations, Google said the government’s proposals have not fixed what it sees as fundamental flaws with the legislation. It warned that making wholesale changes to the text of the Online News Act may be the only way to address its concerns. This would require bringing the bill back to Parliament.

“Unfortunately, the proposed regulations fail to sufficiently address the critical structural problems with C-18 that regrettably were not dealt with during the legislative process,” the statement said. “We continue to have serious concerns that the core issues ultimately may not be solvable through regulation and that legislative changes may be necessary. We have been and will remain engaged and transparent with the government about our concerns and will await the publication of final regulations.”

Michael Geist, the University of Ottawa’s Canada Research Chair in internet law, said this would hamper Google’s ability to make voluntary deals, because some media organizations would deliberately hold out for arbitration in hopes of securing more money. Google already has some voluntary deals in place, including with The Globe and Mail.

The clock is ticking, December 19 is fast approaching and Google has made it clear it will abide by the current law as written, news and search results is about to fully disappear from Google in 2 months even though Google already had prior deals with organizations.

What a colossal own goal by the Liberal-NDP coalition and their lobbyists.

[Wormius]

Holy cow. Can anybody be specific about what the problems are? It’s always this vague, “there are problems, blah blah blah”.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Holy cow. Can anybody be specific about what the problems are? It’s always this vague, “there are problems, blah blah blah”.

Are you ranting that Google needs to be more specific on the flaws or serious concerns? You missed Google's multiple public statements in the past year clearly stating their position and concerns including testifying to our senate (which included several recommendations on improving C-18)

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...news-products/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/our-c...line-news-act/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...fix-bill-c-18/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...line-news-act/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...-on-bill-c-18/

Michael Geist has many articles explaining some of the major flaws with both the proposed regulations and the law taking in effect Dec 19.

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/?s=C-18

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/09/...p-its-a-floor/


Your rant seems quite misplaced and of dubious nature.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Are you ranting that Google needs to be more specific on the flaws or serious concerns? You missed Google's multiple public statements in the past year clearly stating their position and concerns including testifying to our senate (which included several recommendations on improving C-18)

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...news-products/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/our-c...line-news-act/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...fix-bill-c-18/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...line-news-act/

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/compa...-on-bill-c-18/

Michael Geist has many articles explaining some of the major flaws with both the proposed regulations and the law taking in effect Dec 19.

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/?s=C-18

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/09/...p-its-a-floor/


Your rant seems quite misplaced and of dubious nature.

Thanks for the additional links. It’s not a rant. What you originally posted doesn’t cite the specific issue Google has, just like Yoho’s posts with these vague and unfounded, “we’ll lose our freedom of speech!” comments.

[Looch City]

Meh, I'm still not sold and reading perfectly manicured corporate statements by Google makes me NOT want to side with them.

You know it could potentially hurt 0.02% of their profit when they continuously pump out these "public policy" statements from their VPs/Executives...

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1709259553345278020

https://twitter.com/user/status/1709263994521784595

[Robbob]

First time I skimmed that my brain processed Greg Fergus as Craig Ferguson. I could get on board with that.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

No.
No matter how may x's yoho posts by people who are blatantly lying about what is going on, neither of those is/is going to happen.

What is going on?

Why are entities in the podcast space/podcasts having to register with the government?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1709259553345278020

https://twitter.com/user/status/1709263994521784595

At least it wasn't Mark Gerrettsen, but close enough.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by chemgear

What is going on?

Why are entities in the podcast space/podcasts having to register with the government?

Most companies involved in any kind of telecommunications or broadcasting of media in Canada have to register with the CRTC. That has always been the case. The difference now, is they want online content providers (i.e. streaming services) who generate over $10M/year in revenue in Canada to do the same.

And the registration isn't particularly onerous. It's a very short form where you list your company, the name of a representative, and then check a couple of boxes saying what kind of content you provide. It could be filled out in a couple of minutes.

Then the question becomes, what is the next step? Is this merely a precursor to significant regulation in this space, or is it relatively benign data collection that will be used to inform policy (or something in between)? People howling about free speech seem to assume the former is the case, but there isn't a whole lot of evidence pointing that way so far. Personally, I don't really see the distinction between this and something like registering a business or getting a GST number, or the other million things we register for all the time without batting an eye.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Most companies involved in any kind of telecommunications or broadcasting of media in Canada have to register with the CRTC. That has always been the case. The difference now, is they want online content providers (i.e. streaming services) who generate over $10M/year in revenue in Canada to do the same.

And the registration isn't particularly onerous. It's a very short form where you list your company, the name of a representative, and then check a couple of boxes saying what kind of content you provide. It could be filled out in a couple of minutes.

Then the question becomes, what is the next step? Is this merely a precursor to significant regulation in this space, or is it relatively benign data collection that will be used to inform policy (or something in between)? People howling about free speech seem to assume the former is the case, but there isn't a whole lot of evidence pointing that way so far. Personally, I don't really see the distinction between this and something like registering a business or getting a GST number, or the other million things we register for all the time without batting an eye.

Thanks for once again providing solid context without getting emotional and snarky like many in political threads.
Appreciate the clarity you always bring to these discussions.

Any idea what the main complaint from someone like Google is? Does it seem mainly profit related or are they voicing concerns with some merit?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Thanks for once again providing solid context without getting emotional and snarky like many in political threads.
Appreciate the clarity you always bring to these discussions.

Any idea what the main complaint from someone like Google is? Does it seem mainly profit related or are they voicing concerns with some merit?

The Google thing is a whole different bill where the government is basically trying to extract some cash from foreign tech companies. That one is pretty ridiculous on its face, as it wants certain companies to essentially pay money to Canadian media for just linking to their content. But it's also not without precedent. Australia did something similar and I think the EU is heading that way as well.

But the way Australia did it was they essentially used it as a hammer to get the companies to the table and then they set up funding agreements with Australian media in order to be exempted. So far that's not working in Canada's case, probably because the law is more poorly written. And because these companies might know that this is coming elsewhere, so they don't want to cave here and set a precedent. Meta has pulled out of linking Canadian news and Google might head that way too.

Right now it's sort of a game of chicken, where the government is hoping the companies will blink and vice versa. But to me it seems like a pretty stupid gamble for the government to make, particularly given their low popularity. But Canadian media oligopolies have a lot of lobbyists, so this is the result.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Thanks for once again providing solid context without getting emotional and snarky like many in political threads.
Appreciate the clarity you always bring to these discussions.

Any idea what the main complaint from someone like Google is? Does it seem mainly profit related or are they voicing concerns with some merit?

The main concern is that it is spreading. Canada alone doesn't make them much money on this sort of thing, but it's happened in Australia and with Canada going ahead, tech giants are getting nervous.