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Old 12-02-2022, 04:44 PM   #201
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no just the list, but keep deflecting
That's funny coming from you.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:48 PM   #202
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no just the list, but keep deflecting
yes , the list of players the team let get away isn't as bad as i had thought . for the most part the flames have retained the high end talents that made an impact int he nhl

i still think the handling of phillips has been the wrong course of action but i'll happily be proven wrong there as well cause it will suck if we end up letting a skilled nhler get away from no reason .. especially if a rival team ends up being the landing spot since he is a western canadian kid
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:51 PM   #203
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Who are the others?
Juuso Valimaki is probably going to carve out a career as a bottom pairing guy on a bad team. Good for him.
I don't think he's a guy that 10 years from now on we will look back on with regret. Though then again this is a site that still pines for the like of Garnett Hathaway and Ryan Lomberg as "ones that got away" so maybe I'm wrong.
But not sure how much of a proof point Juuso is.
Jusso is currently outperforming Calgary's new shiny toy D man on that bad team.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:55 PM   #204
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yes , the list of players the team let get away isn't as bad as i had thought . for the most part the flames have retained the high end talents that made an impact int he nhl

i still think the handling of phillips has been the wrong course of action but i'll happily be proven wrong there as well cause it will suck if we end up letting a skilled nhler get away from no reason .. especially if a rival team ends up being the landing spot since he is a western canadian kid
I would give him a shot too, I agree with you there...I just think people might be going a little overboard
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:57 PM   #205
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Jusso is currently outperforming Calgary's new shiny toy D man on that bad team.
based on what exactly? Jusso has been greatly exaggerated around these parts
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:01 PM   #206
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Jusso is currently outperforming Calgary's new shiny toy D man on that bad team.
How so? I haven't seen anything that points to this statement.
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:03 PM   #207
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Oh god. I am happy for Juuso and he's doing well as a 4/5 guy in AZ but he is not better than Weegar by any measure.
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:08 PM   #208
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His ranks among Coyotes defensemen...

GF/60 1st
GA/60 2nd
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xGF/60 1st
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xGF% 1st
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:12 PM   #209
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His ranks among Coyotes defensemen...

GF/60 1st
GA/60 2nd
GF% 1st
xGF/60 1st
xGA/60 1st
xGF% 1st
PP GF/60 1st
But what about his ranks in the NHL?
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:14 PM   #210
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His ranks among Coyotes defensemen...

GF/60 1st
GA/60 2nd
GF% 1st
xGF/60 1st
xGA/60 1st
xGF% 1st
PP GF/60 1st
Pretty low bar...he is an okay PP player with 4 points but he is not doing any heavy lifting on that team. Suggesting he is better than Weegar is laughable.
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But what about his ranks in the NHL?
He plays on a bad team so it doesn't make sense to simply compare those numbers straight across against players playing on good teams.

If you look at relative stats (still somewhat unreliable, but better than the alternative), his ranks are

GF/60 21st (Weegar is 112th)
GA/60 18th (Weegar is 10th)
GF% 6th (Weegar 27th)
xGF/60 11th (Weegar 57th)
xGA/60 1st! (Weegar 8th)
xGF% 2nd! (Weegar 12th)
PP GF/60 21st (Weegar 67th)
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:26 PM   #212
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By these "stats" he is better than Tanev too lol

tells you how much value they have...again he isn't doing the heavy lifting
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Jusso is currently outperforming Calgary's new shiny toy D man on that bad team.
What the h-e-double hockey sticks is this?
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:44 PM   #214
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Maybe he should actually answer.

AHL leading scorer and he can’t as much even just say “He’s had a good start if we need to call somebody up he’d be an option”

Didn’t need to be an ass about it IMO

Honestly I don’t blame Adam Fox or any other prospect for not signing for this organization anymore, clearly not best for your career
Coronato probably looking at his height and our lineup knowing he can't crack the right side with stars like Ritchie and Lewis clogging things up.

Will he a sad day when he walks because Sutter chased him away.
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Old 12-02-2022, 05:56 PM   #215
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I find that's difficult for those who haven't played (at least at a decent level) to evaluate players in a holistic manner - ie: looking at positioning and play without the puck, or understanding the importance of players who are fulfilling a specific role. Many overemphasize offensive contributions in analyzing performance. It's why a guy like Tanev is not fully appreciated on here for what he brings to the team.

For those who are ragging on Lucic - what is your specific critique of his game of late?

I haven't noticed much of a difference in his play vs. say Ritchie or Lewis, so I'm curious if I'm missing something.
Lucic doesn’t perform like Kaprizov when he gets the puck in the corner so he’s not an NHL player.
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Old 12-02-2022, 06:23 PM   #219
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Not surprised by Sutters comments. There’s a better chance lucic plays on the top line regularly before Phillips gets in a game. Zero reason to call Phillips up if he’s not going to play.
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