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Old 11-30-2022, 03:07 PM   #7901
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Because a rail strike wouldn't be crippling? A single day of sick leave is nothing but a lie. You just post non stop nonsense from your far left bubble and have no critical thought to the whole picture.
Aww, is someone upset that his MSNBC/CNN-filtered view on everything is completely subservient to corporate interests?

EDIT: Also, did you just ignore this post because it was inconvenient with the narrative your pushing?

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Paid time off isn't useful for sick days or doctors appointments if you need to book it weeks/months in advance and you're penalized for taking days off on shorter notice. The fact is, railway workers are basically expected to be on call 24/7, and due to the point-based attendance system, they basically have no choice but to be available if they want to keep their jobs.


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Old 11-30-2022, 03:19 PM   #7902
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Aww, is someone upset that his MSNBC/CNN-filtered view on everything is completely subservient to corporate interests?

EDIT: Also, did you just ignore this post because it was inconvenient with the narrative your pushing?



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https://twitter.com/user/status/1597690375871033344
You really just sound like a Trumper yelling fake news. No different in my eyes. There is nothing but union propaganda to suggest that the sick day thing is true or widespread. Cheering for a rail strike just to be on the side of the union is pretty crappy.

Why is posting a union propaganda video helpful?
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:22 PM   #7903
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You really just sound like a Trumper yelling fake news. No different in my eyes. There is nothing but union propaganda to suggest that the sick day thing is true or widespread. Cheering for a rail strike just to be on the side of the union is pretty crappy.

Why is posting a union propaganda video helpful?
You're the one making dumb ass claims about the sick days. They do not currently get paid sick days. Why is that so hard to understand?

The good news is that the bill congress passed now mandates 7 paid days of sick leave.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...t-rail-strike/
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:23 PM   #7904
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Gross stuff from the Biden admin here. And Dems wonder why they've lost the working class.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9310941/b...l-rail-strike/
I bet there is no way Berkshire Hathaway is involved in this at all.

And I also bet not a single member of the media will make an attempt to dive into the details on what is going on here.

115,000 workers basically having their rights removed by a government that has no business getting involved.
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:24 PM   #7905
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I bet there is no way Berkshire Hathaway is involved in this at all.

And I also bet not a single member of the media will make an attempt to dive into the details on what is going on here.

115,000 workers basically having their rights removed by a government that has no business getting involved.
Oh 100%. And top Democrats such as Hakeem Jefferies take a tonne of donations from rail executives. It's not difficult to see what's going on here.
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You're the one making dumb ass claims about the sick days. They do not currently get paid sick days. Why is that so hard to understand?

The good news is that the bill congress passed now mandates 7 paid days of sick leave.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...t-rail-strike/
They get paid time off up to five weeks that sick time was rolled into under their agreement at some point, and they can use that for sick time. That's pretty much standard practice for all salaried jobs, professional or labor, and seems very misleading to try to claim that they all of sudden they don't get sick time.
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:26 PM   #7907
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They get paid time off up to five weeks that sick time was rolled into under their agreement at some point, and they can use that for sick time. That's pretty much standard practice for all salaried jobs, professional or labor, and seems very misleading to try to claim that they all of sudden they don't get sick time.
So you are just ignoring opendoor's post then, eh? He broke it down in pretty easy to understand terms.
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:27 PM   #7908
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Oh 100%. And top Democrats such as Hakeem Jefferies take a tonne of donations from rail executives. It's not difficult to see what's going on here.
Whatever, blah, blah blah, everything is a conspiracy to you. No matter of destruction to the world is too much as long as it's a win for the far left. I'm sure you can find lots of politicians taking money from unions as well.
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:28 PM   #7909
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So you are just ignoring opendoor's post then, eh? He broke it down in pretty easy to understand terms.
That was debunked in the mediation meeting. He's just quoting what the union claimed.
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Whatever, blah, blah blah, everything is a conspiracy to you. No matter of destruction to the world is too much as long as it's a win for the far left. I'm sure you can find lots of politicians taking money from unions as well.
Why is this all on the unions to avert the strike? These companies make $2B/day and they can't find a few extra dollars for paid sick leave?
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Old 11-30-2022, 03:33 PM   #7911
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Why is this all on the unions to avert the strike? These companies make $2B/day and they can't find a few extra dollars for paid sick leave?
The arbitrator gave and took on both sides. Giving 15 days of paid sick days to use with no conditions on top of 5 weeks of vacation and 11 paid holidays would put operations at risk. The big bump in pay to 110k and back pay is part of the compensation for the rigors of the job.
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That was debunked in the mediation meeting. He's just quoting what the union claimed.
Where are you reading this?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...iden-sick-days

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That deal included an increase in pay and an additional personal day, but failed to address demands workers had over paid sick leave. Currently, rail workers don’t have paid sick days and have to use vacation time instead. Effectively, this means that workers need to get any time off approved in advance, meaning they often have to work if they come down with an unplanned illness or have a medical emergency. The addition of a single personal day in the September agreement was intended to reflect this concern, though it fell short of doing so — and has prompted multiple unions to reject the deal.
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There are no paid short-term sick days under the tentative deal after unions asked for 15 and railroads settled on one personal day.

"This all could have been avoided had the railroads been willing to provide their employees with a basic protection and what so many Americans already have: paid sick time," House Transportation Committee chair Peter DeFazio said.
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Without a deal, the unions are poised to strike as early as Dec. 9. Four of 12 unions involved had voted down a contract, brokered by the White House, that lacked paid sick days or changes to an attendance policy that rail workers say is punitive. A shutdown of the nation’s railway systems could cost the economy as much as $2 billion a day, according to the rail carriers trade group.
So, sorry, who's yelling "fake news" again?
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Many of the railroad workers average less than 100 hours of work per month as well, so they get 110k/year to compensate for that time they spend on-call and the long shifts they have to work due to the nature of the job.
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Many of the railroad workers average less than 100 hours of work per month as well, so they get 110k/year to compensate for that time they spend on-call and the long shifts they have to work due to the nature of the job.
That's not what you said. You said the "no paid sick days" thing was union propaganda. Sure seems like either you were incorrect or a lot of major news outlets fell for this "propaganda."
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I know 2 people that work for Canadian railroads. Not sure if it's a similar pay/work structure as in the US but they're fully on the gravy train up here and wouldn't give their jobs up for pretty much anything.

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That's not what you said. You said the "no paid sick days" thing was union propaganda. Sure seems like either you were incorrect or a lot of major news outlets fell for this "propaganda."
They don't have discreet paid sick days, that's accurate. They do have Paid Time Off that is supposed to allow for vacation and sick days, and short term disability for longer term illnesses. The dispute is whether they are being denied or penalized to use those days if they are sick without notice. The union claims they are, the railroads say they aren't. The board that was mediating said those claims are not wide spread and if the management is over-reaching on denying those, then grievances and arbitration is the tool to resolve those.
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An Arizona County’s Refusal to Certify Election Results Could Cost GOP a House Seat

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(Bloomberg) -- A rural Arizona county’s refusal to certify the results of the November election could cost Republicans a seat in the US House of Representatives, where they hold a narrow seven-seat majority.

Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, also the governor-elect, has gone to state court to force Cochise County to certify the election after its Republican-led Board of Supervisors failed to meet a Nov. 28 deadline while making debunked claims about the state’s voting machines.
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In court papers, Hobbs’ office said that if the county refuses to certify by Dec. 8, the ballots of more than 47,000 county residents will not be included in the final tally.

That would flip the results of the race for Arizona’s Sixth Congressional District, where Republican Juan Ciscomani holds a 5,232-vote lead over Democrat Kirsten Engel in unofficial results, as well as the race for state Superintendent of Public Instruction, where the Republican candidate has a narrow lead.

“The Board’s inaction not only violates the plain language of the statute, but also undermines a basic tenet of free and fair elections in this state: ensuring that every Arizonan’s voice is heard,” the lawsuit reads.
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Elsewhere in Arizona, a county Board of Supervisors whose members had originally threatened to refuse to certify the results of the election ended up doing so just before the deadline. Though the Mohave County Board of Supervisors postponed the vote once, citing concerns about voting machines, it ultimately approved the results rather than risk being charged with a felony.
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Whatever, blah, blah blah, everything is a conspiracy to you. No matter of destruction to the world is too much as long as it's a win for the far left. I'm sure you can find lots of politicians taking money from unions as well.
This from the guy who said he’d vote in a murderer if he had (D) beside his name LOL

You should try having actual values that you vote based on instead of being a puppet. It’s a pretty cool way to live.

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While this argument is fun, the one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the timing of this proposed strike.

There have been 2 years of supply chain problems, the economy is teetering on serious recession, there has been record inflation in the last year that is only now starting to normalize, and we're heading into the busiest commercial season for almost every industry.

Does nobody else find it the tiniest bit slimy that the union is leveraging this exact moment to its fullest knowing that the country literally cannot afford a strike at this moment? Sure, we can pretend that unions are virtuous and corporations are the big baddies, but the truth is much more grey than that. I will concede that unions don't normally have a ton of bargaining power to get what they need, but this seems like holding the entire economy at ransom if they don't get an extra sick day or two. Seems pretty ####ty and selfish to me.

But hey, I guess I'm just a corporate stooge.
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While this argument is fun, the one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the timing of this proposed strike.

There have been 2 years of supply chain problems, the economy is teetering on serious recession, there has been record inflation in the last year that is only now starting to normalize, and we're heading into the busiest commercial season for almost every industry.

Does nobody else find it the tiniest bit slimy that the union is leveraging this exact moment to its fullest knowing that the country literally cannot afford a strike at this moment? Sure, we can pretend that unions are virtuous and corporations are the big baddies, but the truth is much more grey than that. I will concede that unions don't normally have a ton of bargaining power to get what they need, but this seems like holding the entire economy at ransom if they don't get an extra sick day or two. Seems pretty ####ty and selfish to me.

But hey, I guess I'm just a corporate stooge.
Welcome to the point of a labour disruption. Should they only do it when they have the least amount of leverage and just hope that corporations will give them a fair deal out of the goodness of their hearts?

EDIT: Again, do the corporations not own some of this for not offering a reasonable deal without the threat of a strike?
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