American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Mr.Coffee]

Trump destroyed America. The seed was planted a long time ago. Bill Maher was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria of CNN and I thought put it well. He was predicting as follows:

1) Republicans will dominate these midterms and take key positions in government
2) These same Republicans are denialists to the US system of government and basically con artists who refuse to acknowledge election results unless it suits them
3) Trump will run for President again
4) These same Republican people that get elected in these midterms will stand up for Trump when he inevitably stages a coup
5) Trump will never leave office again after that, and there will be massive, massive problems in America.

Said it before multiple times and will say it again, America is a freight train headed to civil war and (IMO) there is no stopping it. It's what its people want.

[Dion]

Republican voters are so stupid!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588166224277544962

[photon]

They're just repeating what they're told by Republican candidates and government officials. Actual Republican government officials and school board members have repeated that litterbox nonsense. They've discussed it as a growing crisis in the Tennessee legislature.

Schools often keep some litter in a pail for kids if they're locked in a classroom for an extended period because there's a SCHOOL SHOOTING.

Just one more case where Republican politicians show how credulous they've always been and now are just more willing to amplify nonsense because they don't care about having to appear sane in public now.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by photon

They're just repeating what they're told by Republican candidates and government officials. Actual Republican government officials and school board members have repeated that litterbox nonsense. They've discussed it as a growing crisis in the Tennessee legislature.

Schools often keep some litter in a pail for kids if they're locked in a classroom for an extended period because there's a SCHOOL SHOOTING.

Just one more case where Republican politicians show how credulous they've always been and now are just more willing to amplify nonsense because they don't care about having to appear sane in public now.

Really? That's so strange, sad and awful.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Trump destroyed America. The seed was planted a long time ago. Bill Maher was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria of CNN and I thought put it well. He was predicting as follows:

1) Republicans will dominate these midterms and take key positions in government
2) These same Republicans are denialists to the US system of government and basically con artists who refuse to acknowledge election results unless it suits them
3) Trump will run for President again
4) These same Republican people that get elected in these midterms will stand up for Trump when he inevitably stages a coup
5) Trump will never leave office again after that, and there will be massive, massive problems in America.

Said it before multiple times and will say it again, America is a freight train headed to civil war and (IMO) there is no stopping it. It's what its people want.

It certainly looks like they're headed in that direction. We thought 2020 and Jan. 6th were crazy? These upcoming elections and the aftermath are gonna be absolutely bats***.

[activeStick]

He's baaaaack

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588508759491760128

[direwolf]

Ugh, this timeline f'n sucks.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

He's baaaaack

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588508759491760128

And does anyone think he doesnt have the ability to win?

We need to build a wall...

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's what its people want.

Wrong. Since the 2000 election (the one that was actually stolen), Republicans have been massively benifitting from gerrymandering to grow and expand their power, securing presidencies and taking control of the courts, all in direct spite of the wishes of the majority of the American electorate.

The electoral college is essentially just a form of gerrymandering. And it has had disastrous consequences for America and the world.

[AltaGuy]

Biden will be permanently impeached. Just articles of impeachment drawn up, over and over, for two years in the House. Insanity.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Locke

And does anyone think he doesnt have the ability to win?

Ah ah ah, please DON’T say the magic words.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Said it before multiple times and will say it again, America is a freight train headed to civil war and (IMO) there is no stopping it. It's what its people want.

And you've yet to explain how this whole civil war thing is going to work. How are battle lines going to be drawn up and how is this going to be fought? The country is not drawn up by red states and blue states that can fight each other. This is a country that is well blended and where enemies would literally live next door to each other. How does that turn into a civil war.

There are lots of tensions in this country, but I know no one that wants a civil war. Yeah, people talk a lot of #### about politics and act all tough, until you remind them they would have to kill their neighbor, because they have different political views. The problem is not the people, the problem is our media and the unregulated bull#### that flows from it. The reason there is tension is because the two medias can't agree on the facts. The conservative media is so detached from reality and has made so much money stoking fears of the other side that they have created a segment of the population willing to do the unspeakable to their opponents. It's tribalism in action, but if push comes to shove every single one of these idiots will turn tail and run back home to their Fox News bubble the second anything resembling danger arises. Just like the people they watch in the conservative media, they are chicken hawks and will immediately backdown when the #### gets real. A few wingnuts may do something stupid, but the vast majority of the country will remain sane and quickly throw their support behind putting the nonsense down.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Dion

Republican voters are so stupid!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588166224277544962

Oh, neat. They interviewed Yoho.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Wrong. Since the 2000 election (the one that was actually stolen), Republicans have been massively benifitting from gerrymandering to grow and expand their power, securing presidencies and taking control of the courts, all in direct spite of the wishes of the majority of the American electorate.

The electoral college is essentially just a form of gerrymandering. And it has had disastrous consequences for America and the world.

Yes and no. It has to be close enough to gerrymander. You couldn't gerrymander something that was 70-30. Gerrymandering is an issue but only in some areas where it makes a difference. And even then, demographics may change 4 years later. Democrats should just gerrymander back when they are in power.

The problem is, they aren't in power enough at local and state levels. Democrats just have a terrible ground game. They don't get the vote out and are too worried about big gesture issue instead of kitchen table issues. It's been said in this thread, what's a young person issue that could be supported? And don't say loan forgiveness, that's a loaded issue. Some young people just finished paying off their loans, do they not get relief over the guy who defaulted?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Dion

Republican voters are so stupid!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588166224277544962

There are people in Alberta posting about this on Facebook.

It's not just Americans.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And you've yet to explain how this whole civil war thing is going to work. How are battle lines going to be drawn up and how is this going to be fought? The country is not drawn up by red states and blue states that can fight each other. This is a country that is well blended and where enemies would literally live next door to each other. How does that turn into a civil war.

There are lots of tensions in this country, but I know no one that wants a civil war. Yeah, people talk a lot of #### about politics and act all tough, until you remind them they would have to kill their neighbor, because they have different political views. The problem is not the people, the problem is our media and the unregulated bull#### that flows from it. The reason there is tension is because the two medias can't agree on the facts. The conservative media is so detached from reality and has made so much money stoking fears of the other side that they have created a segment of the population willing to do the unspeakable to their opponents. It's tribalism in action, but if push comes to shove every single one of these idiots will turn tail and run back home to their Fox News bubble the second anything resembling danger arises. Just like the people they watch in the conservative media, they are chicken hawks and will immediately backdown when the #### gets real. A few wingnuts may do something stupid, but the vast majority of the country will remain sane and quickly throw their support behind putting the nonsense down.

Having lived in 2 separate parts of deep red America for over a decade, I think the bolded is not as far off as you think. The amount of things I've heard because I am a straight white mail and don't talk openly about politics is astounding. I think there is a significant portion of the population that would genuinely give the ultimatum of GTFO or I will shoot.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dobbles

Having lived in 2 separate parts of deep red America for over a decade, I think the bolded is not as far off as you think. The amount of things I've heard because I am a straight white mail and don't talk openly about politics is astounding. I think there is a significant portion of the population that would genuinely give the ultimatum of GTFO or I will shoot.

I've done the same dobbles, and for longer. Florida and Arizona, so I can say I covered the wackiness on both coasts. I will believe mass political violence is neigh when I see it. I don't see neighbors shooting each other because one voted for Trump and the other voted for Biden. If it were that way, we would have already seen it happen. There's been more than enough opportunities and sanity reigns supreme. If the country didn't fall apart after January 6th, I don't see it getting to the level where Americans start shooting each other over ideological reasons. There needs to be a much greater existential threat to reach that level of possible violence. Won't happen without some type of actual government oppression of citizens rights, like rounding people up and putting them in camps. In other words, it's not going to happen.

[FlamesAddiction]

A conventional civil war doesn’t really seem possible. I could see an increase in domestic terrorism and civil unrest. It would look something more like Northern Ireland than Syria. The left really doesn’t have a lot of bite though. If the Republicans get back the power, it will probably placate them enough.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by activeStick

He's baaaaack

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588508759491760128

I dont think there is anyone else except for maybe Putin that I have wished ill health on more. Come on nature, do your thing. You have 2 years.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And you've yet to explain how this whole civil war thing is going to work. How are battle lines going to be drawn up and how is this going to be fought? The country is not drawn up by red states and blue states that can fight each other. This is a country that is well blended and where enemies would literally live next door to each other. How does that turn into a civil war.

There are lots of tensions in this country, but I know no one that wants a civil war. Yeah, people talk a lot of #### about politics and act all tough, until you remind them they would have to kill their neighbor, because they have different political views. The problem is not the people, the problem is our media and the unregulated bull#### that flows from it. The reason there is tension is because the two medias can't agree on the facts. The conservative media is so detached from reality and has made so much money stoking fears of the other side that they have created a segment of the population willing to do the unspeakable to their opponents. It's tribalism in action, but if push comes to shove every single one of these idiots will turn tail and run back home to their Fox News bubble the second anything resembling danger arises. Just like the people they watch in the conservative media, they are chicken hawks and will immediately backdown when the #### gets real. A few wingnuts may do something stupid, but the vast majority of the country will remain sane and quickly throw their support behind putting the nonsense down.

The intermixing of red and blue would make a traditional civil war impossible, and yes I think a lot of the poseurs are ultimately all talk and no action.

What happens though if/when a presidential election is clearly stolen by states ignoring vote results on patently flimsy pretexts? And let’s say the Supreme Court has confirmed that legislatures have the ultimate say on how elections are executed. Are the blue people just going to roll over and accept this?

If there is no recourse, revolt is still an option. Maybe not against neighbours, but against state capitals and institutions? Defended by other people, who may actually be neighbours. So do you end up in a civil war anyway?