2024 NFL Season Thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I worry that Caleb’s likely to end up like the last “generational” talent that went to a tire fire org, Mr Trevor Lawrence himself. Maybe carve out a career as a top 15-25 QB and toil away.

Still an objectively idiotic decision to keep Eberflus and this staff so they can ruin year one of your franchise QB. When it starts back over next year maybe he gets lucky and meshes with the right coaches

That's it exactly.

You mention Lawrence and he is a perfect example of what not to do. Different coaches, different co-ordinators, every year or two....and you get what he is now. The guy has all the talent in the world, but they threw him into a boiling pot of uncertainty and change. The results were/are predictable.

Same thing with the most recent Bears knights of saviour in Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields...how many coaches and OC's?

Now this will be at least 2, and likely 3, OC's and likely 2 head coaches for Williams before he even takes a snap in his second season.

Its a cycle of rinse and repeat non-stop.

Certainly a recipe for failure.

[Erick Estrada]

Pederson has shown to be pretty good with QB's. I would say Lawrence's issues are more his own than organizational. The Bears would be smart to offer Ben Johnson a blank cheque in the offseason.

[DropIt]

What a disaster. Still shocked rhe Bears never took a real look at Harbaugh.

There have been 2 offensive coordinators fired this season, Luke Getsy, the Bears last OC and now Shane Waldron, the Bears current OC. That's a terrible look on Eberflus, I assume he will be gone by seasons end when the Bears lose out the rest of the season.

Id be interested to see the Bears give Kliff Kingsbury his next shot, or possibly even Lincoln Riley as he struggles with USC

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pederson has shown to be pretty good with QB's. I would say Lawrence's issues are more his own than organizational. The Bears would be smart to offer Ben Johnson a blank cheque in the offseason.

He would be my #1, but at this point I can't imagine Johnson would even consider coming to Chicago

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DropIt

He would be my #1, but at this point I can't imagine Johnson would even consider coming to Chicago

What situation is better?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That's it exactly.

You mention Lawrence and he is a perfect example of what not to do. Different coaches, different co-ordinators, every year or two....and you get what he is now. The guy has all the talent in the world, but they threw him into a boiling pot of uncertainty and change. The results were/are predictable.

Same thing with the most recent Bears knights of saviour in Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields...how many coaches and OC's?

Now this will be at least 2, and likely 3, OC's and likely 2 head coaches for Williams before he even takes a snap in his second season.

Its a cycle of rinse and repeat non-stop.

Certainly a recipe for failure.

If memory serves this will be the third straight time the bears have let a lame duck coach ruin their franchise QB’s year 1 development. They did it with Mitchell and Fields as well. You cannot overcome bad ownership and a bad front office.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What situation is better?

A quieter one? Being in the same division, I assume he hears more than most about just how unorganized the Bears organization is. I couldn't blame him for turning it down, regardless of contract and going somewhere like New Orleans, Jacksonville, Indy?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Josh McDaniels is available.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

If memory serves this will be the third straight time the bears have let a lame duck coach ruin their franchise QB’s year 1 development. They did it with Mitchell and Fields as well. You cannot overcome bad ownership and a bad front office.

Yes, but more importantly it's the third time they've drafted a new QB while the coach is on his way out, and then they bring a new one in.

Trubisky started with Fox, then after 1 year he was fired and the whole coaching staff was churned when Nagy came in, then Nagy drafted Fields and was fired the next seasons for Eberflus and now it's happening again.
They aren't creating a stable ground for a rookie to learn with because they're both cheap and terrible at finding "the next guy" at HC

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What situation is better?

Don't know if it's better, but Dallas could be attractive given the profile of the team. Cincinnati might come open too and with a top 3 QB, that will be an attractive job, albeit with an ultra cheap owner.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pederson has shown to be pretty good with QB's. I would say Lawrence's issues are more his own than organizational. The Bears would be smart to offer Ben Johnson a blank cheque in the offseason.

I agree. QB’s need to be able to handle different OC’s and shouldn’t be an excuse for their performance.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Caleb went from "best situation a rookie QB has ever had" to "they are ruining him" mighty fast. Sounds like the Bears. Now it's possible there's an alternate reality where the Bears hire an offensive minded coach and things look less grim, maybe even Caleb is the rookie of the year. But I don't know, Caleb has been extremely underwhelming regardless. Missing easy throws, poor footwork, taking bad sacks. Feels like as of now his ceiling looks a bit like Jameis, who also got a bunch of "generational" shouts.

But also the term "generational" needs to be retired. Luck is the only post-Peyton generational QB who was worthy. No one had Josh Allen or Lamar or Mahomes as generational, and they are the top three QBs right now.

[KelVarnsen]

I was never that impressed with Caleb when he was at USC

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I agree. QB’s need to be able to handle different OC’s and shouldn’t be an excuse for their performance.

Experienced guys? Sure.

Guys still literally figuring out the league though? Yeah, that will mess them up in a hurry with a whole new messaging routine, system, and playbook to absorb.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

I was never that impressed with Caleb when he was at USC

Yeah....

7900 yds passing, 72 TD's, 10 INT's, 500 yds rushing with 21 additional Td's....in 2 seasons.

93 touchdowns in 26 games.

Pretty mediocre stuff.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Stats on their own are fairly meaningless, cause I can find you tons of Air Raid QBs with huge stats. But almost all of Caleb's weaknesses (inability to play in structure, poor mechanics, taking bad sacks) have been his weaknesses in the NFL. Easy to win in college purely on talent cause most defenses in college are horrific.

Still early, but Caleb was sold as a sure thing, and so far he is clearly the worst of the rookie QBs, and it's not like Nix and Maye are in amazing situations.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

But also the term "generational" needs to be retired. Luck is the only post-Peyton generational QB who was worthy. No one had Josh Allen or Lamar or Mahomes as generational, and they are the top three QBs right now.

Was Joe Burrow on many people's radar when he was drafted? I only recall him getting draft hype later in the college season and not being thought of as a top pick until after LSU had won the National Championship. I don't recall any let's finish last to draft Joe Burrow talk. I rember some talk about him being old for a college player and why teams should be cautious. Has there been a better number 1 pick since him and before Andrew Luck?

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Stats on their own are fairly meaningless, cause I can find you tons of Air Raid QBs with huge stats. But almost all of Caleb's weaknesses (inability to play in structure, poor mechanics, taking bad sacks) have been his weaknesses in the NFL. Easy to win in college purely on talent cause most defenses in college are horrific.

Still early, but Caleb was sold as a sure thing, and so far he is clearly the worst of the rookie QBs, and it's not like Nix and Maye are in amazing situations.

Clearly you aren't watching Caleb play though. Yes the rookie mistakes are there but the talent is undeniable.

Could Caleb be better? Sure, but the coaching staff isn't scheming guys open, or even acknowledging their Oline is amongst the leagues worst and designing around it.
5 step drops with Cole Kmet blocking a DE has happened multiple times each game.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Obligatory "Jamarcus had talent" post. Of course Caleb shows talent. Justin Fields showed talent too. Guys don't get to the NFL being talentless. But, to reiterate, it is very funny how quickly "Best situation for a rookie QB ever" has devolved into "He's getting the least help a rookie QB has ever gotten". Good news is next offseason the hope fire will burn bright again.

[Sylvanfan]

Aren't all but one of the Bears starting offensive lineman injured? No scheme or QB is overcoming that.