Ongoing General Automotive Thread 2.0

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Walking into a Toyota dealership at times can be akin to walking into an old folks home. Those elderly drivers probably played a large role in the Camry Dent/Camry Corner phenomenon. I imagine a lot of seniors were crushed a few years back when Toyota finally discontinued offering beige paint.

The reasonable side of me knows that buying an AWD Hybrid Corolla would be such a good move.

But the other side of me falls asleep halfway through that thought. I just can't do it

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You could just get a 4Runner instead of the GX. Same thing, no lottery required.

True although you might have to wait longer and I'm not sure whether they're selling those things at sticker anyway.

[Brendone]

So credit where it’s due. Was doing my usual 10% over on 22x and got passed by a Subaru. Good for you

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You could just get a 4Runner instead of the GX. Same thing, no lottery required.

New GX is the only Toyota SUV with the v6 now. And I like the GX over the 4 runner or the new land cruiser which it shares the same platform with. It's just better. Is it 30k better ? Probably not.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Are there even any Pontiac Sunfires left?

Not very many. That era of GMs was pure junk, and there is relatively few people insane enough to devote the time and effort to keep one of those things in good condition and on the road today.

Although they all are really missing a huge opportunity to pull off the double spoiler look:

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by dammage79

New GX is the only Toyota SUV with the v6 now. And I like the GX over the 4 runner or the new land cruiser which it shares the same platform with. It's just better. Is it 30k better ? Probably not.

I love the look of the new GX and Land Cruiser...I just wish they didn't downgrade the engines to smaller turbos. I have a feeling a 2023 GX with the NA V8 will outlast both.

Same with the new 4Runner....

[Sliver]

Dude that new Toyota engine scares the #### out of me. I didn't even consider the Tundra when I bought my F150. In the past I've come close on a Tundra, but it's off the table for now.

[Table 5]

Not that Im on the market for a new truck, but I agree. Toyota will eventually figure it out, but that Turbo V6 is a pretty big black mark for them.

[you&me]

This may be the first time I've uttered (typed) this word in probably a decade, so excuse my ignorance, but what in particular is wrong with the Toyota V6 in the Tundra? Stats seem solid - is the concern that it's too high-strung?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by you&me

This may be the first time I've uttered (typed) this word in probably a decade, so excuse my ignorance, but what in particular is wrong with the Toyota V6 in the Tundra? Stats seem solid - is the concern that it's too high-strung?

They've had reliability issues. Same as anything, just avoid the first few years of a new engine, I have no doubt they'll be fine going forward

I think this one gets a little overblown since a lot of the narrative is driven by people that wish their was still a v8 option

[Sliver]

I mean, they're replacing 100,000 engines in 2022 & 2023 Tundras and Lexus LXes. That's a pretty big fricken step, so it's not just like the Internet is complaining over nothing. This is a serious problem. I've read the 2024s are suffering from the same catastrophic failures and the recall could be extended.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...cement-recall/

[Fuzz]

Sounds like it isn't any kind of critical design failure, it's just machining debris wasn't cleared out, and that can cause the failure. So if they fix that in the assembly process, it doesn't sound like there is a fundamental issue with them. Major screw up though.

[Bill Bumface]

Here I thought Volvo's 400hp 2L 4 cylinder turbo-supercharged-electric hybrid was going to be the grenade to watch out for.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Are there even any Pontiac Sunfires left? I remember every college-aged girl used to have them back in the day..but can't recall seeing many these days. They were some of the ugliest cars of that era...especially in that ugly burn-orange color GM used to love in the early 2000s.

And Chevy Cavaliers. They were everywhere… then they were gone.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Here I thought Volvo's 400hp 2L 4 cylinder turbo-supercharged-electric hybrid was going to be the grenade to watch out for.

They probably are or will be as they age but since nobody buys Volvo’s you won’t hear about many failures.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I mean, they're replacing 100,000 engines in 2022 & 2023 Tundras and Lexus LXes. That's a pretty big fricken step, so it's not just like the Internet is complaining over nothing. This is a serious problem. I've read the 2024s are suffering from the same catastrophic failures and the recall could be extended.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...cement-recall/

Interesting.

Again, this is the most attention I've paid to Toyo... Oh #### it, I just don't care

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by habernac

And Chevy Cavaliers. They were everywhere… then they were gone.

Don't forget the venerable Neon.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Don't forget the venerable Neon.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Are there even any Pontiac Sunfires left? I remember every college-aged girl used to have them back in the day..but can't recall seeing many these days. They were some of the ugliest cars of that era...especially in that ugly burn-orange color GM used to love in the early 2000s.

Originally Posted by photon

My first new car was a nice bright red Pontiac Sunfire GT! Channeling my inner college girl.

Lol! My sister had that exact car in College. Bright red Sunfire.

Of course when maintenance was required who drove it? That thing was just a despicable POS.

[Table 5]

When you combined the build quality of a 90's GM economy car, with the lackadaisical attitude towards maintenance within their ownership group...I'm not sure those things ever stood a chance.