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Old 12-08-2024, 07:00 PM   #3541
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Not sure if this person is a legit source, but they're saying that Larkin has asked for a trade.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1865813037992563113
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Old 12-08-2024, 07:05 PM   #3542
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That tweet is just piggybacking off another, which doesn't appear to be true

https://twitter.com/user/status/1865848495971676321
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Old 12-08-2024, 07:06 PM   #3543
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Yeah no. Larkin isn't going anywhere even if he wanted to.
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Old 12-08-2024, 07:14 PM   #3544
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I would f'n hope so.
Hanifin was a rental any way you slice it.
Im not sure why people are upset with the return
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Old 12-08-2024, 07:33 PM   #3545
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Hanifin was a rental any way you slice it.
Im not sure why people are upset with the return
Some seem to think us the fans should caution any sort of excitement around the return and compared the situation to Hanifin.

Simply not the case at all, as like you’ve highlighted the situations and contracts are completely different.
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That tweet is just piggybacking off another, which doesn't appear to be true

https://twitter.com/user/status/1865848495971676321
Larkin absolutely loves playing in Detroit, what a unbelievable rumour.
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Old 12-08-2024, 08:08 PM   #3547
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Guys don’t forget Craig has seen at least half a dozen offers on Andersson and hasn’t accepted a single one. Offers that were already better than the Hanifin trade.

I wouldn’t sleep on it being disappointing, he’s signed right now to a contract that’s essentially 40% less than what he’s worth on the open market Now retain on that for a team looking to push for a cup and you’ve got a recipe for absolute money.

He remains the most talked about asset amongst the GM’s.
I honestly don’t see him resigning with Calgary (personal guess) and he’s currently a favorite flame of mine. I’d imagine the only thing to get Rasmus to entertain an extension at this point would be a lengthy playoff run.

I’d expect an A level center as the cornerstone piece Craig is looking for in any trade.
That is good news, that top center is really what Calgary needs.
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Old 12-08-2024, 08:23 PM   #3548
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Some seem to think us the fans should caution any sort of excitement around the return and compared the situation to Hanifin.

Simply not the case at all, as like you’ve highlighted the situations and contracts are completely different.
I guess what I meant is considering the situation, I think the return for hanifin was pretty good. So, if the offers are better for andersson (considering the situations), that’s great
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Old 12-08-2024, 08:31 PM   #3549
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I'm not pissed. I just find it fascinating that there's an acceptance that the Flames may finish exactly where a lot of fans for years and years have been clamouring is the worst spot to finish when you're trying to build a winner. And that's middle.of the road. It's the entirety of frustration from the fanbase as long as I've been a fan.

I understand, the organization isn't going to tank, they're not going to allow the youth to develop in a tanking culture. But it's just same same, but different! But same.
I said going into the season I wouldn’t be mad if they exceeded expectations and ended up giving their pick away. They did try to tank by trading Markstrom and basically staying out if the UFA market. I’ll be fine with anything besides moves to try and reinforce being competitive.
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Old 12-08-2024, 09:54 PM   #3550
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I'm glad the team is working hard, and I'm even happier than we're playing entertaining hockey-I wouldn't expect the team to mail it in every night in an effort to tank on purpose. Our goaltending is one reason we aren't in the basement, and I don't think the coaching staff gets enough credit for how we're playing.

I do believe however, that it is important to finish bottom-5 this year and next to fill in our roster for the future. We've had some top-2 regular season finishes in the last 10 years, but I think it's time to do something different, other than having the goal of just simply making 2-4 games of playoff revenue, or surviving long enough to lose in the second round. It's time we try to build a real contender, and the way to do that is through the draft. You can still finish near the top of the league and be in the "mushy middle" if you lose in the first round, or get wasted in the second.

We are set on D (although I tend to think that we could use another big stud), we have a young goalie doing well in the NHL, so our goal should be to aquire a superstar Center through the draft, and perhaps another one next year. THIS IS OUR CHANCE!
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I think people are going to be disappointed with an Andersson return with some of the expectations being thrown out. Hronek and Chychrun returns are the comparables.
Andersson is worth somewhat more than those guys. But I also think the trades being thrown around here are unrealistic. The same thing happened last season with the impending UFAs - none were moved for close to the kinds of returns people on this site were tossing around.
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Imagine being the small market team that not only can’t lure free agents, but are on waiver exempt lists?

Talk about a competitive imbalance. Zero chance owners go for something like that.
I agree it would create a competitive imbalance. But it doesn’t look to me like the board of governors cares much about the disadvantages small market teams are saddled with. NTCs are the biggest handicap, and there’s never been a hint that owners want to rein them in.
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Old 12-08-2024, 11:08 PM   #3553
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I'm glad the team is working hard, and I'm even happier than we're playing entertaining hockey-I wouldn't expect the team to mail it in every night in an effort to tank on purpose. Our goaltending is one reason we aren't in the basement, and I don't think the coaching staff gets enough credit for how we're playing.

I do believe however, that it is important to finish bottom-5 this year and next to fill in our roster for the future. We've had some top-2 regular season finishes in the last 10 years, but I think it's time to do something different, other than having the goal of just simply making 2-4 games of playoff revenue, or surviving long enough to lose in the second round. It's time we try to build a real contender, and the way to do that is through the draft. You can still finish near the top of the league and be in the "mushy middle" if you lose in the first round, or get wasted in the second.

We are set on D (although I tend to think that we could use another big stud), we have a young goalie doing well in the NHL, so our goal should be to aquire a superstar Center through the draft, and perhaps another one next year. THIS IS OUR CHANCE!
The problem is how do they get worse to get into that top 5 pick - they have to play sub-.375 hockey the rest of the season to even have a chance.

The only real immediate moveable asset is Andersson, but you don't want to rush that trade if you don't have to because you should be able to get a great package of assets for him.

Coleman and Kadri could maybe be moved, but also control their fates and you don't want to just give them away.

Moving pieces like Kuzmenko, Rooney, etc isn't going to move the needle much and I think you could argue that AHL pieces could bring energy and even help the team.
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The problem is how do they get worse to get into that top 5 pick - they have to play sub-.375 hockey the rest of the season to even have a chance.

The only real immediate moveable asset is Andersson, but you don't want to rush that trade if you don't have to because you should be able to get a great package of assets for him.

Coleman and Kadri could maybe be moved, but also control their fates and you don't want to just give them away.

Moving pieces like Kuzmenko, Rooney, etc isn't going to move the needle much and I think you could argue that AHL pieces could bring energy and even help the team.
Yup, we can't even lose right. It seems we're usually counting wins to make it in to the playoffs, and now we're counting losses to get a top-5 pick...
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Old 12-09-2024, 12:04 AM   #3555
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They did try to tank by trading Markstrom and basically staying out if the UFA market.
I don't think that was trying to tank. That was trading a guy who won't be around when the team is contending and not only getting a young defenseman for him who will but opening a spot for their future number 1 and giving him more opportunity because the starting position is now open.

Staying out of the free agent market just made sense for them and wasn't about trying to lose.
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Old 12-09-2024, 12:36 AM   #3556
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It will be interesting to see how Conroy approaches this offseason. He wants to get younger. Most of the vets have inconsistent at best. The upcoming UFAs have not performed well enough to be traded for anything at the TDL. Wouldn’t surprise me if he avoids signing any UFAs or PTOs for next season as it doesn’t seem like any of them really worked out and I think most fans would prefer to see more young players on the team for better or worse.
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Old 12-09-2024, 01:08 AM   #3557
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IMO, the most interesting names in an Andersson trade at the deadline could be Buium (Minn), Nemec (NJ) and Ritchie (Col). If the flames retain salary with Andersson having two years left on his contract and take back some salary too, his implied value is immense to any of those three teams.
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If we retain salary on Anderson, is that our last retention spot gone?
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Old 12-09-2024, 03:14 AM   #3559
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If we retain salary on Anderson, is that our last retention spot gone?
No, they have two left right now. Only one used is on Markstrom.
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The problem is how do they get worse to get into that top 5 pick - they have to play sub-.375 hockey the rest of the season to even have a chance.

The only real immediate moveable asset is Andersson, but you don't want to rush that trade if you don't have to because you should be able to get a great package of assets for him.

Coleman and Kadri could maybe be moved, but also control their fates and you don't want to just give them away.

Moving pieces like Kuzmenko, Rooney, etc isn't going to move the needle much and I think you could argue that AHL pieces could bring energy and even help the team.
I think they’ll drop into the top 10. They’re already headed in that direction. But I agree top 5 would be tough. Before this season I’d hoped for back-to-back top 5s, but that seems unrealistic now.
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