01-14-2025, 01:49 PM
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#5421
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Franchise Player
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Traded and FA signing have for the most part been good
That’s why it’s so funny how bad this team and farm system are overall
Usually FAs and bad trades sink you . The Jays drafting and player development in the last decade is abysmal - including the players we traded !
That’s why we are so bad - and in for a rough next 5 years
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01-14-2025, 02:22 PM
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#5422
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Franchise Player
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The drafting and developing of homegrown talent is the most frustrating part, they need to figure that crap out. It wouldn't matter if they could actually land Ohtani, Soto, Yamamoto, Sasaki, etc.....but they can't. Those players always end up on the same 5-6 teams and it sucks. The Jays have the payroll flexibility to handle those guys massive contracts, but they can't get them to pick Canada over the usual group of teams that always gets them.
Have to build it on your own from within.
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01-14-2025, 02:24 PM
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#5423
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
It is interesting to look back at the three "big" deals that Atkins has made.
Chapman for Hoglund, Smith, Snead, and Logue...gave up a whole lot of nothing.
Berrios for Martin and SWR...Martin played last year but was negative value, SWR did have a pretty good season last year, so that could burn them still but Berrios was a need.
Varsho for Gurriel and Moreno...Moreno has looked pretty good while Kirk and Jansen aren't long term solution at C and while Varsho is elite defensively his bat has declined...so that one hurts a bit.
Should pieces like Hoglund, Martin, SWR, and Moreno have been able to be traded for better returns that provided more value for the team...it's worth the question and think that's what has hurt them a bit. The guys they identified just haven't worked out:
Chapman: Great defense, one great season, but bat was inconsistent and then he left as a Free Agent. His bat bounced back in SF which hurts too.
Berrios: Should have been a perfect target...27 year old with strong numbers and performances, numbers haven't been as good since moving to Toronto and had a real bad 2022.
Varsho: Elite defensively, but the bat just hasn't worked...maybe a new hitting coach can unlock the potential he looked like he had at 25 in Arizona.
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Nice post I agree for most part
Atkins had the window for guerreo and bichette . He had to do it. Some of guys didn't pan out that were acquired. Prospects don't always pan out.
My point just being farm isn't super super thin right now some injuries no real stars. I really like nimalla.
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01-14-2025, 10:48 PM
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#5424
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Andrew
Nice post I agree for most part
Atkins had the window for guerreo and bichette . He had to do it. Some of guys didn't pan out that were acquired. Prospects don't always pan out.
My point just being farm isn't super super thin right now some injuries no real stars. I really like nimalla.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...4-25-offseason
Yeah 4th worst in the Majors. Farm's doing great - Unless you compare to basically all the other teams
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01-14-2025, 11:04 PM
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#5425
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jason14h
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Agree to disagree...
Rankings are rankings. As I mentioned jays had a lot of injuries to pitchers made them drop.
More eg
Looking at flames who had kerins up there?
Horwitz never on a list. Numerous eg.
I pay quite a bit of attention stats and games not just reading bleacher report.
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01-15-2025, 01:30 PM
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#5426
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Powerplay Quarterback
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If you see one of the Jays, Dodgers or Padres trading for International Bonus Space that will be a good indication of who is getting Sasaki. I also can’t imagine teams will give up that space for cheap knowing the player that that team will be getting.
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01-15-2025, 01:55 PM
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#5427
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by JTech780
If you see one of the Jays, Dodgers or Padres trading for International Bonus Space that will be a good indication of who is getting Sasaki.
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I think "If" is the operative word. The differences between the three isn't that much (in terms of IFA bonus pool) and if Sasaki really wanted to make bank he could have just waited a few years and cashed out when he isn't limited as much as he is now. So it's entirely possible that he just signs for whatever the teams pool is and nobody has to go get more.
I think the better indication is who isn't signing the guys that they were previously linked to... if you see word coming out that one of those teams signed whatever 16 year old SS out of Venezuela they have informal agreements with for 1.3M dollars then that is an indication that they aren't signing Sasaki.
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01-15-2025, 02:08 PM
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#5429
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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I said it last season when things were evidently going south, and will continue to say it again. The biggest problem is the prospect base isn’t there. So if your lineup currently isn’t good, and you don’t have an endless budget, you’re forced to rebuild. The two guys to deal for value are Vlad and/or Bo, but also Gausman. Those three are the only ones who will bring back material rebound value. Or they go haphazardly to a retool but lazily signing free agents and filling out the rest of the roster with Turners again. To me you go for the full rebuild. It really sucks to lose Vlad and Bo but this management group f’ed it up badly. There really isn’t a choice here for the long term benefit of the team.
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01-15-2025, 02:20 PM
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#5430
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Apartment 5A
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Soto for Vladdy. 1 for 1.
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01-15-2025, 03:37 PM
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#5431
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by JTech780
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I think there's a chance the Mets leaked that to put pressure on Alonso to take less on a 1 year deal.
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01-15-2025, 03:42 PM
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#5432
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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The Baltimore Orioles and Atlanta Braves backed out of agreements to sign Jeff Hoffman because of concerns about the reliever's pitching shoulder before he finalized a $33 million, three-year contract with the Toronto Blue Jays last week.
"The stuff they saw on the MRIs, whatever they saw was what their team docs were saying," he said Wednesday during the Blue Jays' introductory videoconference. "Not any bit in line with the way I feel, though, so it's not something that I'm really concerned about or worried about."
"All the flags, physical stuff, was as big a surprise to me as anybody," he said. "If you can check my kind of track record over the past few seasons, I've been as healthy as anybody. It's a nonissue for me. It's just something that they wanted to bring up and the Blue Jays see me for what I am. So I'd rather be in a place like that anyway
"When the team docs got their hands on me and everything for the actual physical orthopedic exam, there was really nothing to worry about," Hoffman said. "My body's moving great, range of motion, everything is normal for me and it's as it would be midseason."
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-jays-contract
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The Jets aren’t winning anything. They have no #1C or D.
They hardly look like any contender.
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Paulie Wingnuts
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01-15-2025, 03:45 PM
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#5433
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Franchise Player
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The Mets interest in Vlad doesn't bode well for anyone who wants him. That's basically like saying Hey Vlad we're going to give you a blank cheque at the end of the year. #### Cohen. So the Jays should probably just trade him so they can get something for him
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01-15-2025, 05:10 PM
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#5434
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JTech780
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Jays have approximately 4 weeks before camp starts (pitchers and and catchers).
Vlad has stated he won't negotiate after that occurs until the end of the year
Could be an interest next several weeks
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01-15-2025, 09:27 PM
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#5435
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1879640756484440320
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there was apparently one 10-year (offer), one 11-year one, and one that came with a whole lot of deferred money, which the vladdy camp was not interested in any sort of deferred money.
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01-16-2025, 09:18 AM
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#5436
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JTech780
With Sasaki it won’t come down to money, because of his age he has to sign a minor league contract subject to the 2025 international signing bonus pools. Toronto has an estimated $6.2m, Dodgers have $5.1m.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
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I see why it's beneficial from a time value perspective to offer a deferred deal, but I wish they just offered him a $100M bonus up front, so his contract becomes tradable if he's not up to expectations in later years. Having ####ty contracts on the books is a team killer.
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01-16-2025, 09:37 AM
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#5437
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Boras says Bregman doesn’t want a short term deal. Well certainly sounds like there’s no appetite to give him a long one. Boras is ruthless but in recent years there seems to be miscalculations with his assessments. Bregman is a four year deal max. How can he push for a long term deal?
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01-16-2025, 10:13 AM
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#5438
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluejays
Boras says Bregman doesn’t want a short term deal. Well certainly sounds like there’s no appetite to give him a long one. Boras is ruthless but in recent years there seems to be miscalculations with his assessments. Bregman is a four year deal max. How can he push for a long term deal?
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Yeah. I think the market for the "not quite at the very top" guys has weakened considerably with the TV deal issues, especially for long deals as teams are no longer confident their revenues will always go up.
I think Boras was the right guy for a rising/tight market, but I'm not so sure his strategy of holding out for the last dollar is a good one right now. It's definitely riskier - if you hold out for the last dollar but misjudge which dollar that is you can end up missing out completely.
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01-16-2025, 02:16 PM
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#5439
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Powerplay Quarterback
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There is talk that the Jays are the favourites to sign Alonso.
If they sign him does that send the message that they don’t need Vladdy and he better lower his asking price? Do they trade Vladdy? Or does he play 3rd?
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01-16-2025, 03:28 PM
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#5440
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JTech780
There is talk that the Jays are the favourites to sign Alonso.
If they sign him does that send the message that they don’t need Vladdy and he better lower his asking price? Do they trade Vladdy? Or does he play 3rd?
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The Jays are in on everyone. The Jays are a finalist for everyone. Your second paragraph is a moot point haha.
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