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Old 11-03-2024, 03:41 PM   #4621
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I disagree.

IMO the Jays have whole bunch of decent players who are just above average. They need more star power that can put up 6+ WAR seasons. Difference makers.

Looks like Vlad may have had a resurgence, couple him with another legit star and you might have something to put all those 1-3 WAR players around.

Soto isn't coming to TO though in my opinion. Just a tool for driving up the price and clickbait for the talking heads..

To clarify what I mean by two good players I mean getting to guys akin to what Springer was supposed to be. Ie: Torres and Adames. You wouldn’t have to pay a crazy over the top premium or length and their combination fills a gap needed. Then deal Bo for a third baseman and a LF.
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Old 11-03-2024, 03:44 PM   #4622
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Or I’d just sign Adames, move Bo to second, then sign a Bregman short term. Either way Adames makes sense for me.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:06 PM   #4623
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Jays would be crazy, to once again try to sign the free agent.

They have no chance to sign this guy,

Not to mention, Jays need multiple pieces... to fix their offense

Not to mention the bull pen
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:10 PM   #4624
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Jays would be crazy, to once again try to sign the free agent.

They have no chance to sign this guy,
There's nothing wrong with trying to sign him if you can afford it. Just have a backup plan in place this time.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:15 PM   #4625
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There's nothing wrong with trying to sign him if you can afford it. Just have a backup plan in place this time.
Agreed, as long as they have a plan B, last offseason it was clear they had no plan.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:17 PM   #4626
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There's nothing wrong with trying to sign him if you can afford it. Just have a backup plan in place this time.
Yeah. They need one new outfielder. Really they probably also need to move Springer to the bench but given what they're paying him that might not be possible.

So I think you try for Soto and if that doesn't work get Santander instead. Could also try for Teoscar back if that well isn't poisoned.
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Yeah. They need one new outfielder. Really they probably also need to move Springer to the bench but given what they're paying him that might not be possible.

So I think you try for Soto and if that doesn't work get Santander instead. Could also try for Teoscar back if that well isn't poisoned.
Problem is they need way more than one outfielder.

They need a 3rd, catcher, outfielder, DH and of course they have to fix the bull pen.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:28 PM   #4628
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Problem is they need way more than one outfielder.

They need a 3rd, catcher, outfielder, DH and of course they have to fix the bull pen.

Exactly!I don’t care much for Varshos offence, but I can see the benefit of him being the CF. But at this point, Springers back is done, and left field needs someone to come in or step up. I hate spending big money on outfield in general. But I agree completely, there are a lot of holes to fill. Which is why to me realistically you don’t chase one 10/10 but instead focus on two 8/10, then deal Bo to get high trade value back to fill the rest of the needs.
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Old 11-03-2024, 05:12 PM   #4629
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The Jays were more than a Soto away from being even a wildcard team this season.
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Old 11-03-2024, 07:35 PM   #4630
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Problem is they need way more than one outfielder.

They need a 3rd, catcher, outfielder, DH and of course they have to fix the bull pen.
For sure. I was definitely not saying they "just" needed 1 outfielder.
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Old 11-03-2024, 07:43 PM   #4631
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OF is generally a position you can find a lot of, which is another reason I'm not a huge fan of going for Soto, or even last year Ohtani. The infield positions are harder to play, and just my overall feeling is the players don't tend to get long contracts, which bodes well for limiting the second half downside risks.
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OF is generally a position you can find a lot of, which is another reason I'm not a huge fan of going for Soto, or even last year Ohtani. The infield positions are harder to play, and just my overall feeling is the players don't tend to get long contracts, which bodes well for limiting the second half downside risks.
The flip side of that is that the DH/OF positions (along with 1B) are places where you need to have productive bats to have a competitive lineup. The Jays OF/DH at bats had to be among the least productive in baseball.

I agree the infield is harder defensively, but I think over-focusing on defense has been a problem for management. A couple of offense-first players in lower-importance positions is a necessary improvement, imo.
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They need to flip Bo to 2nd, acquire a short stop..

Once that is done, next move is to find a 3rd.

Outfield and DH, are also pieces

Problem is they have so many areas that need addressing, doubt they can address everything.
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They need to flip Bo to 2nd, acquire a short stop..

Once that is done, next move is to find a 3rd.

Outfield and DH, are also pieces

Problem is they have so many areas that need addressing, doubt they can address everything.
Some of the spots will have to be filled internally for budget reasons. I sort of like the idea of moving Vlad to 3rd and putting Horowitz at 1st. It probably sacrifices some defense but it's cheap and adds offense. It should be cheaper to find a DH-only bat than a 3B.
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The flip side of that is that the DH/OF positions (along with 1B) are places where you need to have productive bats to have a competitive lineup. The Jays OF/DH at bats had to be among the least productive in baseball.

I agree the infield is harder defensively, but I think over-focusing on defense has been a problem for management. A couple of offense-first players in lower-importance positions is a necessary improvement, imo.
I’ve said that about the defence the second they started going so extreme. I do believe you need a very good defensive SS and 3B in the infield, but they still have to be good offensively. I have no clue why they went full defence in the OF. That alone pissed me off to no end, and was largely part of their downfall. So anyway, I agree with you.
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Some of the spots will have to be filled internally for budget reasons. I sort of like the idea of moving Vlad to 3rd and putting Horowitz at 1st. It probably sacrifices some defense but it's cheap and adds offense. It should be cheaper to find a DH-only bat than a 3B.
I think the part we may also be forgetting is the strong SP we have. Gausman or Bassett can bring back a good return I think.
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I think the part we may also be forgetting is the strong SP we have. Gausman or Bassett can bring back a good return I think.
I mean, that's true, but that's just moving the holes around. It's not like the Jays have quality starting pitchers than they need. If you trade Gausman for a 3B you need to replace him with a top of the rotation starter - maybe that's easier to find in FA given pitcher contract lengths. But still, that's not really solving anything it just moves the problem around.


Also - surprised to see they waived Genesis. I thought he'd be back - not like they have a huge surplus of good bullpen arms...
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