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Old 07-05-2018, 10:37 AM   #41
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Line 2 pacific division


For lines 2:

Los Angeles
San Jose
Calgary
Anaheim
Vegas
Edmonton
Arizona
Vancouver

This one was even harder than the last grouping.

I think a healthy Carter makes a big difference for the Kings.

Couture is a fantastic center. Hertl is a load to handle with with size. Meir isn't as strong as some of the other wingers but Couture makes up for it.

Backlund is a good two way center. Tkachuk is a big point producer and may have another step to take.

Would have had Anaheim higher but there is smoke around whether Kesler will be able to get back to form. Would have them 2-3 if Kesler reverts to form.

Statsny is very underrated. If he stays healthy this line could be better than expected.

Draisaitl is great. Lucic coming off the worst shooting % of his career. Might bounce back ala Kopitar. If he gets back to 20 goals this line could rise up the list. It is believed Rieder will be the winger here rather than Kassian.

Grabner is always good to create his own offence. Dvorak may develop into something.

Maybe Eriksson can bounce back. Pretty bleak otherwise.

I feel like LA and SJ are probably the class of this grouping unless other teams have break outs.

3-6 is pretty even I would say and a lot depends on who is running hot or cold as the season progresses.

Arizona and Vancouver lag badly as all the other teams have a impact player or two on their second line.
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:13 AM   #42
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This web site has a rating system for all the lines for each team.

Calgary has 10 red players (above average) to Edmonton's 6

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/c...e-combinations
This site has Gaudreau as the 14th best LW.
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Old 07-05-2018, 12:21 PM   #43
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This site has Gaudreau as the 14th best LW.
Yeah...He's probably, at worst, the 14th best forward, let alone LW.
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Old 07-05-2018, 12:50 PM   #44
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Yeah...He's probably, at worst, the 14th best forward, let alone LW.
There's some debatable choices ahead of him - JVR, Guenztel, Kovalchuk (really who knows at this point), Rakell, Marchessault (based on a single year). Forsberg is ranked really high for some reason. I wouldn't quibble about Marchand, Ovie, Hall, Giroux being ahead, or even Panarin or Benn.
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Old 07-05-2018, 12:55 PM   #45
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There's some debatable choices ahead of him - JVR, Guenztel, Kovalchuk (really who knows at this point), Rakell, Marchessault (based on a single year). Forsberg is ranked really high for some reason. I wouldn't quibble about Marchand, Ovie, Hall, Giroux being ahead, or even Panarin or Benn.
Marrchessault has scored near 30 two years in a row now... he is less questionable than many on that list.

Forsberg is amazing, and more complete player, watch him play and hes almost always the best player on the ice with puck on his stick.

I think Johnny should be higher but if they factor in defensive zone play, he definitely falls down a bit and I can almost see how they get him in the 8-12 range

JVR and Guentzel sound like click bait putting them on the list
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Old 07-05-2018, 01:08 PM   #46
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This web site has a rating system for all the lines for each team.

Calgary has 10 red players (above average) to Edmonton's 6

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/c...e-combinations
They rank Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal as the 20th best top line? The ####?

Last year, Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland was running top 3-5 all the way until February, when injuries did them in.

G-M-N has to be top 10 in the NHL, if not top 5. They have the potential to score 100 goals. And there won't be more than 3 lines that do that in the entire league.
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Old 07-05-2018, 01:15 PM   #47
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That site also has Derek Ryan rated as a better centre than Backlund.

I'd love to see what dataset/weighting they pull from.
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Old 07-05-2018, 01:35 PM   #48
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Line 2 pacific division


Dang those are some solid second lines.
I'd have to say:

San Jose
LA
Vegas
Calgary
Anaheim
Edmonton
Arizona
Vancouver
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But he's not paired with Drai. It's RNH/Rattie.

Of course MacDavid is the best player by a margin, but those other two players drag this line down. There's no way it's the best line in that group, I'd take Gaudreau-Monahan-Neal every single day over the Oilers line.
I don't know don't the oilers have some shiny new first round pick they can't wait to rush into the league to play on mcdavid wing
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Is Rattie seriously Edmonton's first line RW?


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Old 07-05-2018, 03:21 PM   #51
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I'm pretty sure those line / player ranking are based on game score but weighted over a time period to put a higher emphasis on games that occurred more recently.

Background on game score https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/07/13...to-game-score/

Background on the Corsica player ratings - https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl-pl...ings-explained
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:23 PM   #52
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:36 PM   #54
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Oilers win the third line (if you only count draft position).

If Ryan plays like last year, Frolik plays like two years ago and Bennett plays like three years ago, then that's a good line.
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:53 AM   #55
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Ducks third line is tremendous.
Kings
Knights
Sharks
Oilers
Flames
Canucks
Yotes

It gets a little blurry here as some guys got the opportunity to play further up the lineup last year due to injuries and as a result recorded more points than they would have gotten playing solely on the third line.

Some also get PP time which drives up their production.
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Oiler fans, thinking just the presence of McDavid automatically thrusts their depth chart to the top of the division.

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Oiler fans, thinking just the presence of McDavid automatically thrusts their depth chart to the top of the division.
Just the first line.

And I think most rational fans would agree with that.
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Just the first line.



And I think most rational fans would agree with that.


Not a chance when a fringe NHLer is considered the top line RW.
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Oiler fans, thinking just the presence of McDavid automatically thrusts their depth chart to the top of the division.

I mean he does get double shifted every game all game...
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