Couple of points
I would hate to live in a world without police. Look around the world for examples of how society degenerates where there is little to no policing or totally corrupt police.
I have spoken with several police, some in my family. They deal with every situation. They don't have the option to say no. Most everyone on this board does not go into work with a reasonable likelihood that they will be in a physical fight at work.
I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between on this subject. Are there bad cops? Yes. Are they the majority? No. Does their job require physicality? Yes. The truth likely lies where you draw the line and every situation is different. It takes a judgement call that most here will never have to take.
Deal with the obviously bad ones, work with the mistakes and appreciate that someone stands up for us at any hour.
My thoughts
I was in agreeance with this post at certain points, but by the end it was too "just appreciate what they do and stop complaining when things go wrong, they'll deal with it" for me.
But I will also say this, we HATE crooked cops, we HATE cops that do things to make us look bad, I can tell you that the majority of cops will say something along the lines of , “he might be a friend of mine, but he’s not worth losing my job over or if he ever puts me in a bad spot, that’s on him”.
American policing certainly doesn't follow this ideal. I understand things are different in Canada (but trending towards American Style policing way too much for my comfort over the decades).
I was in agreeance with this post at certain points, but by the end it was too "just appreciate what they do and stop complaining when things go wrong, they'll deal with it" for me.
Then you missed my point. I clearly stated deal with the bad ones ,work with the mistakes. How is that just appreciate what they do and stop complaining?
But I will also say this, we HATE crooked cops, we HATE cops that do things to make us look bad, I can tell you that the majority of cops will say something along the lines of , “he might be a friend of mine, but he’s not worth losing my job over or if he ever puts me in a bad spot, that’s on him”.
Video entered in court as an exhibit shows Plummer pushing over Lavoie, who hospital security had put in a wheelchair and handcuffed after he became combative. Plummer then stepped on his bare foot and kicked him in the face.
Oh wait, that didn't happen. He was supported by his boys in blue (and the judge who let him off easy because of a difficult divorce (Wtf?)).
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At least 15 Calgary police officers attended court to support Plummer, half a dozen of them in uniform. After court they greeted Plummer with smiles, hugs and handshakes to celebrate his non-custodial sentence.
And of course his partner did nothing at the time.
The problem with this line of thought is you have no way of knowing who is a bad guy and who is just a native/black/Irish/ kid but it is human nature to take short cuts so all black/native/irish kids tend to become the bad guys which leads to Starlight rides, beating deaths and the Birmingham 8.
The police seem to exist in a weird world where they spend most of their time dealing with the most vulnerable of our society without having any insight or knowledge about them what so ever (and I do believe this is on some level a purposeful choice towards ignorance to make the job morally or emotionally easier), I can remember trying to explain to an anti prostitution task force that were sent to the jail I worked out of why they were having no luck getting co operation from the girls when they wanted to 'bust their scumbag pimps' as the cops put it, they had no idea that most of the girls 'pimps' really were their boyfriends, that the girls cared for them and visa versa, that the guys did some dealing and B&E's, the girls worked the stroll, they pooled their money and survived that way.
The anti prostitution task force seemed to have no clue about the actual lives of prostitutes, they seemed to see everything in an utterly black and white manner, they desperately needed a bad guy to hunt down, the idea that everyone involved (except maybe the regular citizen who bought the girls) was also a victim seemed impossible for them to comprehend
Just an awful video in Memphis. I can't imagine what Tyre Nichols was thinking while getting beat to death. I would have ran away too to get away from that.
Do Memphis police not have any training? It looked like a pack of wild dogs with literally zero attempt to pull back on the reigns and gain some perspective on what exactly they were dealing with. Why didn't just one of them have the human decency to make the others stop.
However I do find the bolded part above interesting. Isn't that what many think about cops. Like aren't many in this thread doing the exact same thing? Making straight lines to judgement based on some bad behavior or a silly patch?
You can see references to the blue wall or blue line well over 20-30 years ago. I never took is as explicitly racist but more as a cover up to crimes and bad behaviour. I think over the years the bad behaviour was probably skewed towards certain minorities so it evolved into a racist symbol. This is more in reference to the US than Canada.
Publicly the thin blue line symbol has very negative connotations in North America. If I were to see someone wearing it I assume they are completely aware of how it is received and they choose to wear it anyways. To me, that speaks louder than the pin itself.
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I work directly with police in my part-time work. Most cops appear to be great people, in fact, some are extremely proactive in trying to improve relations with our client population. Refreshing to see. Of course, I’ve come across a few bad apples, which, to my opinion, I’m not sure why they act the way they do on our premise considering we have cameras, so we send camera evidence to their supervisor if they act out of line.
Regardless, I’m happy with the work they do for us, I’m glad we have police, or else some folk would never leave the premise when they’re not allowed on property. And of course, it’d be a ####show if we didn’t have the opportunity to call in police presence. God knows I’m not putting myself in idiotic danger if someone flies off the rails and starts destroying property while high on meth.
Homeless shelter, FWIW.
Completely off topic, my apologies.
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I work directly with police in my part-time work. Most cops appear to be great people, in fact, some are extremely proactive in trying to improve relations with our client population. Refreshing to see. Of course, I’ve come across a few bad apples, which, to my opinion, I’m not sure why they act the way they do on our premise considering we have cameras, so we send camera evidence to their supervisor if they act out of line.
Regardless, I’m happy with the work they do for us, I’m glad we have police, or else some folk would never leave the premise when they’re not allowed on property. And of course, it’d be a ####show if we didn’t have the opportunity to call in police presence. God knows I’m not putting myself in idiotic danger if someone flies off the rails and starts destroying property while high on meth.
Homeless shelter, FWIW.
Completely off topic, my apologies.
As a preface, I think that there is a big difference in the situations in Canada versus the US.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of cops here are good people trying to do the right thing in their application of the law.
Its not an easy job - the police and EMS personnel often see people in the absolute worst situations, at their worst moment.
Because of that heightened adrenaline in those situations, emotions can/do run high. However, the police are trained and should be the ones to trying to deescalate a situation. In the Memphis case, that didn't happen.
Its a traffic stop, not serving a no knock warrant on a wanted felon. From the start, the use of force didn't seem to match the situation...We'll see if more information comes out, but at the moment, it doesn't appear to have any justification.
Just an awful video in Memphis. I can't imagine what Tyre Nichols was thinking while getting beat to death. I would have ran away too to get away from that.
Do Memphis police not have any training? It looked like a pack of wild dogs with literally zero attempt to pull back on the reigns and gain some perspective on what exactly they were dealing with. Why didn't just one of them have the human decency to make the others stop.
However I do find the bolded part above interesting. Isn't that what many think about cops. Like aren't many in this thread doing the exact same thing? Making straight lines to judgement based on some bad behavior or a silly patch?
Just some food for thought anyway.
We have no power over the police, we dont get to arrest them, lay a beating on them or generally make their lives a misery, it doesnt really matter whether we like them or not, it really really matters that cops dont hate black or native or latino kids or just assume they are all crim's that deserve what ever happens to them
We have no power over the police, we dont get to arrest them, lay a beating on them or generally make their lives a misery, it doesnt really matter whether we like them or not, it really really matters that cops dont hate black or native or latino kids or just assume they are all crim's that deserve what ever happens to them
Did they just want to instill a sense of irony and hopelessness by having an African themed cruiser in the background of the next video of someone being beaten by the Police?
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Yeah, that "That's exactly my point" was weird. The conversation went like this
AFC - Police need to make judgements on who a bad guy is but sometimes profile to a point where every minority becomes a bad person, and that's dangerous and wrong in a society.
Otto - Suggests that citizens lately are doing the exact same thing to police
AFC - Suggests that this doesn't equal out as the police have the power to change/ruin/end someone's life if they screw up and get something wrong or go overboard where as we don't have that power in judging police
Otto - Says "yeah, my point exactly".
I'm very confused about the whole exchange.
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I imagine that the Miami PD didnt choose that unveiling music right? That was overlaid by the twittererer? Tweeter? Whatever, that guy...right?
Because...in a way I hope the Miami PD unveiled their 'dumbass-idea-du-jour' to that song. It would be so perfect to illustrate just how out of touch they are.
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