08-01-2022, 03:30 PM
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#5761
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
The only reasons I can really see for them doing this is to appeal to the anti-China sentiments in the US and to create a heightened sense of fear of conflict where Pelosi and Biden can end up being seen as showing strength as standing up for America's values/interests globally. That barely makes any sense to me either though. It just seems nuts, and quite a gamble.
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Dude...after the last 2-3 years? I dont know if nothing should surprise me anymore or if I should just buckle up for the next batcrap insane thing thats going to happen.
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08-01-2022, 03:31 PM
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#5762
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Had an idea!
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It really depends on what China will do.
To me it is a bold move, and probably needed given the situation in Ukraine. Taiwan is to the world's chip supply what Ukraine is to the world's food supply.
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08-01-2022, 05:23 PM
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#5764
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Slava
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I actually don't think this is a mistake by Trump. He wants a reason to issue an PR with a fundraising note attached. In most cases he likely doesn't care who wins the primary, plays both sides and creates a stir granting him more publicity he so craves
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08-01-2022, 05:36 PM
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#5765
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azure
It really depends on what China will do.
To me it is a bold move, and probably needed given the situation in Ukraine. Taiwan is to the world's chip supply what Ukraine is to the world's food supply.
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It would be a bold move if Biden supported it. Or if Biden went himself. The only US President to visit Taiwan was Eisenhower in 1960.
But Biden condemns it.
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08-01-2022, 05:39 PM
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#5766
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
It would be a bold move if Biden supported it. Or if Biden went himself. The only US President to visit Taiwan was Eisenhower in 1960.
But Biden condemns it.
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Its still bold on behalf of the Americans- or China wouldn't be lashing out and crying.
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08-01-2022, 06:18 PM
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#5767
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by Slava
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And yet again, his son Eric was somewhere when he first heard about this, felt overjoyed that his dad finally expressed affection for him only to get to the press release and read that it was for a different Eric.
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08-01-2022, 07:15 PM
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#5768
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Mull
Its still bold on behalf of the Americans- or China wouldn't be lashing out and crying.
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The Chinese lash out and cry about everything. They cry when you use Google.
It's a bluff. There's no way they're attacking the US Speaker of the House. That would be insane.
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08-01-2022, 07:34 PM
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#5769
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
The Chinese lash out and cry about everything. They cry when you use Google.
It's a bluff. There's no way they're attacking the US Speaker of the House. That would be insane.
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So then at a minimum, this trip projects American power in an area China claims as their own while undermining China's influence?
Last edited by Mull; 08-01-2022 at 07:39 PM.
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08-01-2022, 08:04 PM
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#5772
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mull
So then at a minimum, this trip projects American power in an area China claims as their own while undermining China's influence?
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Taiwan claims China as their own too, so what?
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08-01-2022, 08:28 PM
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#5773
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by activeStick
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I am confused on that response to me. Hasn't that been the long standing policy of the US, based on Taiwan's wishes?
Yes, no official independence, but de-facto independence. And they enforce and do support de-facto independence or you wouldn't see constant US military in the Taiwan straight.
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08-01-2022, 08:28 PM
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#5774
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Taiwan claims China as their own too, so what?
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...? When the US visits China, Taiwan doesn't scream you can't do that?
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08-01-2022, 10:48 PM
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#5775
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mull
...? When the US visits China, Taiwan doesn't scream you can't do that?
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Only cause they are not petty and insecure like the PRC is.
Should the US be scared of China? China can't dictate where the US Speaker can or cannot go.
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08-02-2022, 02:02 AM
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#5776
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by activeStick
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lol barely makes the news these days
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08-02-2022, 06:43 AM
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#5777
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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08-02-2022, 07:07 AM
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#5778
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mull
I am confused on that response to me. Hasn't that been the long standing policy of the US, based on Taiwan's wishes?
Yes, no official independence, but de-facto independence. And they enforce and do support de-facto independence or you wouldn't see constant US military in the Taiwan straight.
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Yes - its the same policy as always. Daily Caller is a right wing site and will criticize anything the current admin does.
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The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means. We continue to have an abiding interest in peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. Consistent with the Taiwan Relations Act, the United States makes available defense articles and services as necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability -– and maintains our capacity to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of Taiwan.
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08-02-2022, 07:07 AM
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#5779
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlySports
Only cause they are not petty and insecure like the PRC is.
Should the US be scared of China? China can't dictate where the US Speaker can or cannot go.
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No... that is my point.
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