09-18-2020, 06:48 AM
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#121
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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History shows that the very best move BT can make on the first through the last day of free agency is to turn off his phone.
Lets grow from within for a couple seasons.
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09-18-2020, 11:38 AM
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#122
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashpoint
History shows that the very best move BT can make on the first through the last day of free agency is to turn off his phone.
Lets grow from within for a couple seasons.
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I wouldn't say turn it off completely. I still think Curtis Glencross was a great free agent signing, and one of the main reasons the Flames got him was the Edmonton told him to wait we want to chase big names, and we'll come back to you later.
So if you are hunting around for that type of player that you are signing for what is a below league average salary, I think that's okay. If it's the more established veteran type, than I do agree...sit on the side lines unless it's a top end type of talent.
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09-20-2020, 12:42 AM
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#123
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Nobody knew that the Neal signing would be a colossal failure, in fact-Neal was one of the big fish of that year's UFA class, and we all were super stoked to get him. It was seen as a total coup.
Likewise, we were all pretty happy to be able to grab Brouwer as well-he was just coming off a fine playoffs with St.louis, and he was also one of the top UFA's of his years class. Nobody could've seen that disaster either.
Most fans also liked Tre's aquisitions of Elliott and Smith, but those two didn't get anything done.
All in all, I think all Tre needs is better luck, but I trust him overall.
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09-20-2020, 01:18 AM
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#124
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
That isn't true at all, there is lots of potential for deadline deals to work out for one or both teams.
The reason they don't work out for the flames is because the flames make short term decisions with long term assets most of the time in years where they aren't warranted.
The Bruins grabbed a budget player with an extra year on his deal for a cap dump and a 1st.
Vegas acquired a defensemen with an extra year for a couple of 2nds
Tampa acquired two budget forwards with years left.
The penguins landed zucker who had multiple years left.
These deals will continue to benefit these teams going forward, and that's just a sampling from this year alone.
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Really? Calgary didn't move anywhere near these kinda assets
Penguins traded their first and probably their top prospect for Zucker and lost in the play in round...awesome deal! years left!
None of these deals are very good...just because the player had a little term, if the Flames did any of these you would be ####ting your pants
You say a cap dump and a 1st like they gave up nothing...the first and 2nd round picks probably would have benefited these teams moving forward lol
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10-02-2020, 07:59 PM
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#125
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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News UpdateDavid Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod
The Flames and D Erik Gustafsson have had recent contract talks, but unless Calgary ups the ante, the 28-year-old defenceman plans on hitting the open market next Friday.
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10-02-2020, 08:02 PM
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#126
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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This sounds right to me. I'm not opposed to bringing Gustafsson back, but the Flames need to hold firm on what they offer him.
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10-02-2020, 08:04 PM
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#127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Yeah, agreed, there's a walk away price and they need to hold.
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10-02-2020, 08:05 PM
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#128
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
News UpdateDavid Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod
The Flames and D Erik Gustafsson have had recent contract talks, but unless Calgary ups the ante, the 28-year-old defenceman plans on hitting the open market next Friday.
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Don’t know what they are offering him, but I think some players are going to be getting a big dose of reality come Ufa day. There is no chance that owners are going to be throwing out substantial money on bottom pairing d men.
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10-02-2020, 08:07 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
Don’t know what they are offering him, but I think some players are going to be getting a big dose of reality come Ufa day. There is no chance that owners are going to be throwing out substantial money on bottom pairing d men.
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And some of them might find themselves without a seat, or having to take a major discount.
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10-02-2020, 08:16 PM
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#130
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Don’t know what they are offering him, but I think some players are going to be getting a big dose of reality come Ufa day. There is no chance that owners are going to be throwing out substantial money on bottom pairing d men.
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Colton Soucy just got 3 years and 2.75M per.
That's my walk away price on Gus, and he'll sign for a good deal more than that. I really don't have much interest in Gustafsson.
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10-02-2020, 08:19 PM
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#131
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Don’t know what they are offering him, but I think some players are going to be getting a big dose of reality come Ufa day. There is no chance that owners are going to be throwing out substantial money on bottom pairing d men.
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Agreed, I think Pietrangelo, Hall and Markstrom, the guys at the top will still get their money, but the Tier 3 guys like Gustaffsson might have to settle for PTOs and minimum salary offers.
That was the impact on the salary structure the last time the CBA was settled and this Covid impact is likely to be the same.
Flames should go after the big 3, but if they don't get them, Treliving should go on vacation until a week before training camp, there should be some desperate players by then and great 1 year value deals to be signed.
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10-02-2020, 08:19 PM
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#132
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Franchise Player
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I like what he adds but you can't over pay for a player like him.
Otherwise you end up with an overpaid guy that you play on the PP, shelter even strength and don't trust in high leverage situations.
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10-02-2020, 08:59 PM
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#133
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Gustaffson’s scoring numbers lead to a bigger salary than the Flames’ experience with him merit, if you understand what I’m saying.
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10-02-2020, 09:04 PM
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#134
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 868904
Agreed, I think Pietrangelo, Hall and Markstrom, the guys at the top will still get their money, but the Tier 3 guys like Gustaffsson might have to settle for PTOs and minimum salary offers.
That was the impact on the salary structure the last time the CBA was settled and this Covid impact is likely to be the same.
Flames should go after the big 3, but if they don't get them, Treliving should go on vacation until a week before training camp, there should be some desperate players by then and great 1 year value deals to be signed.
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Lol he will get more than league min/PTO
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10-02-2020, 09:04 PM
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#135
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Voted for Kodos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Don’t know what they are offering him, but I think some players are going to be getting a big dose of reality come Ufa day. There is no chance that owners are going to be throwing out substantial money on bottom pairing d men.
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Originally Posted by agulati
And some of them might find themselves without a seat, or having to take a major discount.
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Absolutely, a lot of teams are hurting cap wise, some mid tier UFAs are not going to get what they are hoping for. Guys that wait to sign might be left with very teams that can even afford what they are asking for.
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10-02-2020, 09:24 PM
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#136
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Franchise Player
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So what is the consensus of max offer Flames should give him over say three years? No doubt we all agree Gus isn’t a player you overpay. $2.5 AAV for 3 years? $3 million? More?
I’m with Comixzone that you don’t pay $3 million for a guy you need to hide on the bottom pairing but curious what others think. If it doesn’t start with a 2 I’m out unless we’re talking a one year deal.
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10-02-2020, 09:25 PM
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#137
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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I don't go more than $2.5 million for two years or $2 million for three years.
He's a luxury who isn't particularly good at defense. I would rather they heavily pursue an excellent second-pair guy in DeMelo.
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10-02-2020, 09:29 PM
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#138
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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They better get Brodie done soon so we know what we’re dealing with both cap wise and positionally. I wouldn’t mind Forbort back for the bottom pairing on a cheap short deal if we can’t land anyone else.
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10-02-2020, 09:37 PM
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#139
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Franchise Player
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I can see him being worth 3 million x 3 years for some team. Not Calgary though.
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10-02-2020, 09:47 PM
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#140
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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2x2 is it for me. I'd take 2x2, just sayn lol
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