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Old 09-25-2020, 10:09 PM   #7981
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I agree with that, so then you’re looking at moving out Backlund and his 5.5, not going to be the easiest task either. I personally don’t think Cirelli, as good as he is does anything to address a current need.
I wouldn't move Backlund. I'd move Ryan and probably sell high on Bennett if possible, because otherwise he'd be either back on the wing or stuck as the 4th line C.
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:10 PM   #7982
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Maybe it’s a #1 C that can drive play. Hell we don’t have one player that can drive play but did see a twinkling of Dube in playoffs.

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I'm sorry, but how is a guy in the 12-17 range of most statistical categories for centers not a #1C?

31 teams, 31 #1 centers.

Monahan is a #1 center. He may not be a McDavid or Eichel, but he is still a middle of the pack #1 and if he were ever the #2 on a team, it would be a pretty ####ing elite team down the middle. Even this past season which was awful for Monahan's standards saw him finishing the in the top 31.

This constant stupidity by our fans surrounding Monahan is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:12 PM   #7983
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Cirelli is damn good, too. Calling him a 3C is ridiculous.
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:13 PM   #7984
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Maybe it’s a #1 C that can drive play. Hell we don’t have one player that can drive play but did see a twinkling of Dube in playoffs.
Just because Gaudreau drives play on that line doesn't mean Monahan can't, it just means just that Gaudreau is the preferred option for them.

And we don't have a single player that can drive play? Are you serious?
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:15 PM   #7985
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Cirelli is damn good, too. Calling him a 3C is ridiculous.
About as ridiculous and calling Monahan a #2C and Backlund a #3C. Our fanbase notoriously underrates most of our players.
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Old 09-25-2020, 10:17 PM   #7986
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I'm sorry, but how is a guy in the 12-17 range of most statistical categories for centers not a #1C?

31 teams, 31 #1 centers.

Monahan is a #1 center. He may not be a McDavid or Eichel, but he is still a middle of the pack #1 and if he were ever the #2 on a team, it would be a pretty ####ing elite team down the middle. Even this past season which was awful for Monahan's standards saw him finishing the in the top 31.

This constant stupidity by our fans surrounding Monahan is absolutely ridiculous.
Don’t confuse catering the top line with being a number one center. That’s the same as calling Drasaitl or Matthews a number 2 center... 75th in league scoring and -16 does not equate to number 1 center numbers
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About as ridiculous and calling Monahan a #2C and Backlund a #3C. Our fanbase notoriously underrates most of our players.
Rating players based on their performances and comparables around the league is more what I base judgement on. If you’re content with Monahan and Backlund as the 1/2 punch, be content with finishing 15th and losing in the first round.
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Don’t confuse catering the top line with being a number one center. That’s the same as calling Drasaitl or Matthews a number 2 center... 75th in league scoring and -16 does not equate to number 1 center numbers
So let me get this straight.

31 teams, 93 first line players.

In a bad year Monahan finishes 75th in scoring among all players, 68th among forwards but isn't a first liner because of +/-?

How can one be so daft?
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Rating players based on their performances and comparables around the league is more what I base judgement on.
Yeah, well you are flat out wrong. Your opinions are....... and I am putting this nicely...... straight up garbage.
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I think Tampa will move heaven and earth to keep Cirelli. As they should.
Targeting barzal gives us the backup of snagging pulock.
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Just because Gaudreau drives play on that line doesn't mean Monahan can't, it just means just that Gaudreau is the preferred option for them.

And we don't have a single player that can drive play? Are you serious?
You think Monahan on his own will all of a sudden drive a line? Wouldn't count on it.
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So let me get this straight.

31 teams, 93 first line players.

In a bad year Monahan finishes 75th in scoring among all players, 68th among forwards but isn't a first liner because of +/-?

How can one be so daft?
Well you see, not all teams are built equally. There are really good teams that have multiple players score more points then average, and some of the teams are really poor and their players tend to not be as “good” compared to the better teams. If you are okay with average players you will must be okay with average results. On a cup contender, Monohan would be a good #2 center.

Another way to think of it. Put every center in the league in a fantasy draft. Where is Monahan picked?

It’s funny because you make it seem like I’m dumping on Monohan. Saying he is not suited for the role he has is not the same as dumping on him. He is very useful and has a good contract for what he offers, but his skill set and style of play are not carrying the top line of a cup contender.
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You think Monahan on his own will all of a sudden drive a line? Wouldn't count on it.
My point is we don't know because he's never been asked to. Claiming he is incapable of doing something never required of him is a pretty terrible take.
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Well you see, not all teams are built equally. There are really good teams that have multiple players score more points then average, and some of the teams are really poor and their players tend to not be as “good” compared to the better teams. If you are okay with average players you will must be okay with average results. On a cup contender, Monohan would be a good #2 center.
I never said every team has a #1 center, I said there are 31, some teams have multiples, some have none.

Monahan is in the same class of centers as Seguin, and look where he is right now despite being underwhelming in the post-season.
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My point is we don't know because he's never been asked to. Claiming he is incapable of doing something never required of him is a pretty terrible take.
I think if he could we would have seen it by now. Anything is possible I suppose but I think the body of evidence doesn't scream high probability.
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I never said every team has a #1 center, I said there are 31, some teams have multiples, some have none.

Monahan is in the same class of centers as Seguin, and look where he is right now despite being underwhelming in the post-season.
Pardon my confusion, you can see where it comes from though. You saying there’s 31 number 1 centres and there actually being 31 teams in the NHL.

Well you can put those two in the same class if you want. That doesn’t change the reality of Monohan not being a #1 center. Again not that that’s a dig on him, his contract doesn’t reflect #1 center salary, neither do his stats or style of play.
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Pardon my confusion, you can see where it comes from though. You saying there’s 31 number 1 centres and there actually being 31 teams in the NHL.
Yeah, from reading your posts it's very easy to see you are "confused"
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I'm sorry, but how is a guy in the 12-17 range of most statistical categories for centers not a #1C?

31 teams, 31 #1 centers.

Monahan is a #1 center. He may not be a McDavid or Eichel, but he is still a middle of the pack #1 and if he were ever the #2 on a team, it would be a pretty ####ing elite team down the middle. Even this past season which was awful for Monahan's standards saw him finishing the in the top 31.

This constant stupidity by our fans surrounding Monahan is absolutely ridiculous.
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I never said every team has a #1 center, I said there are 31, some teams have multiples, some have none.

Monahan is in the same class of centers as Seguin, and look where he is right now despite being underwhelming in the post-season.

I see.
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Old 09-25-2020, 11:22 PM   #7999
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I think Tampa will move heaven and earth to keep Cirelli. As they should.
Targeting barzal gives us the backup of snagging pulock.
So if they do they lose Sergachev to our RFA offer first then.

Either way they wont be able to make moves to keep both at a non bridge contract. If they match the first they will be ####ed my the second non bridge deal. So pick which one to target and what they are worth to you.
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My point is we don't know because he's never been asked to. Claiming he is incapable of doing something never required of him is a pretty terrible take.
If he’s waiting to be “asked” therein lies the problem. Claiming he’s a number one center, just waiting to be “asked” to drive the top line is quite laughable.
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