07-26-2018, 01:56 PM
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#241
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Brad seems fed up with these arbitration cases and Hathaway seems like the perfect guy to ship out of town to set an example, since he's the worst player of the arbitration crew.
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07-26-2018, 01:58 PM
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#242
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Originally Posted by Royle9
Would be... but I don't think the Flames want to go into next season with little to no cap space left available..
If someone goes down and we need to sign another backup goalie or something we could be in trouble.
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That's another issue entirely, and I agree with you about it.
But CaptainCrunch was talking entirely about cap issues for the 2019-20 season and beyond. That problem does not require Brouwer to be bought out this summer.
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07-26-2018, 02:37 PM
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#243
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I think that no matter what Brouwer gets bought out this year.
The Flames run into a serious cap crunch next year with Bennett, MT needing new deals so that probably will add 7 or 8 million bucks to the payroll and the year after that we lose half of the blueline.
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Yep, the flames need some ELC players to step up big time this year for sure. If there is a Seattle expansion, we can bet on losing someone we like as well, so possibly ~ 5 mil there if it's Neal or Lindholm. The flames will be up against the cap for the foreseeable future though.
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07-26-2018, 03:18 PM
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#244
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Geeoff
Brad seems fed up with these arbitration cases and Hathaway seems like the perfect guy to ship out of town to set an example, since he's the worst player of the arbitration crew.
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What on earth was Treliving thinking when he qualified Hathaway???? Pretty sure he's never going to suit up again at the NHL level for the Flames....
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07-26-2018, 03:27 PM
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#245
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 442scotty
What on earth was Treliving thinking when he qualified Hathaway???? Pretty sure he's never going to suit up again at the NHL level for the Flames....
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I think he was thinking that Hathaway would accept the qualifying offer instead of filing for arbitration LOL.
I think he's not a bad option as a 13th forward or injury call-up, since he brings a lot of energy and has some chemistry with Jankowski.
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07-26-2018, 03:30 PM
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#246
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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He's a popular teammate as well. Doesn't hurt to have him around even if he's just sitting in the press box most nights.
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07-26-2018, 03:33 PM
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#247
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 442scotty
What on earth was Treliving thinking when he qualified Hathaway???? Pretty sure he's never going to suit up again at the NHL level for the Flames....
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I think he's a pretty easy choice to sit as a 13th guy as opposed to Foo, Klimchuk, Mangiapane or Dube, who need to play. Really, his competition is Lazar, who is quicker, can play C if need be, has a little more consistent energy IMO and had only one less point (with more games but way less ice time and worse linemates).
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07-26-2018, 03:33 PM
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#248
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Hathaway type players are a dime a dozen. To be honest, if you have Hathaway playing higher than a 13th forward consistently, than your team is in trouble. He more than Kulak needs to make sure he has the right number or he may not be long for Flames colours.
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07-26-2018, 04:10 PM
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#249
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by 442scotty
What on earth was Treliving thinking when he qualified Hathaway???? Pretty sure he's never going to suit up again at the NHL level for the Flames....
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Strange viewpoint. Personally I think he's an ideal 13th or 14th forward. You can sub him in for energy and hitting and you're not worried about his development being stagnated by sitting unlike a younger player with a higher upside. He would probably take sitting out a lot better than Brouwer. And I'd rather play and develop guys like Lazar.
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07-26-2018, 04:53 PM
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#250
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbob
Hathaway type players are a dime a dozen. To be honest, if you have Hathaway playing higher than a 13th forward consistently, than your team is in trouble. He more than Kulak needs to make sure he has the right number or he may not be long for Flames colours.
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You don’t have him higher than 13. He is 13. A guy who doesn’t mind sitting in the press box, the team doesn’t need to develop him (he is what he is), and he can step in and play NHL minutes at the drop of a hat if needed. You need that.
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07-26-2018, 05:29 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by the2bears
He didn't make anything "public", this is just a rather vague comment directed at no one in particular.
As for a "precedent"? For what? This doesn't suddenly change negotiating tactics next year. Agents know that, they'd be laughed out of the room if they brought this up.
I think you're worrying for nothing.
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I got to admit you are right in a way. Not such a big deal. But if GM is using the bad year as leverage for keeping salaries low, agents have all rights to do the opposite after good season. Pretty sure NHLPA would agree with me. I would say its fair.
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07-26-2018, 07:28 PM
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#252
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Kind of interesting we haven't seen the Flames put Hathaway on waivers yet.
Written submissions for arbitration are to be submitted 48 hours before the hearing. Assuming a 9am ET hearing on July 30th, Hathaway would have had to have been on waivers today to clear before the Flames had to submit their briefs 9am ET on July 28th. If they put him on waivers tomorrow, he wouldn't clear or be claimed until 12 PM ET July 28th. We saw with Kulak the Flames put him on waivers two days before the briefs for his hearing were due.
Could mean one or a combination of the following:
a) Flames and Hathaway are close to a deal or already have agreed to deal. The two sides are not that far apart and waivers are not needed.
b) Hathaway already cleared waivers early on in the 17/18 season and the Flames believe that is enough to undermine his case.
c) Hearing is set for 2pm ET on July 30th, meaning the Flames could put him on waivers tomorrow and complete the waiver process in time for their briefs due at 2pm ET on July 28th.
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07-26-2018, 07:34 PM
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#253
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Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gamesaver
I got to admit you are right in a way. Not such a big deal. But if GM is using the bad year as leverage for keeping salaries low, agents have all rights to do the opposite after good season. Pretty sure NHLPA would agree with me. I would say its fair.
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It's a negotiation, of course both sides will try to use whatever evidence and logic they can think of. But this did not introduce something new to the equation, which you seem to think is the case.
Just because the agent can mention a good season, and reference Tre's comments, does *not* mean they've suddenly gained an advantage. Tre's not going to say, "Good point, hadn't thought of that, so here's some more money."
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07-26-2018, 07:48 PM
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I don't think Treliving is too concern about the amount Hathaway will get. The high side would be $800k. No chance he makes >$1 million.
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07-26-2018, 08:29 PM
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#255
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Could mean one or a combination of the following:
a) Flames and Hathaway are close to a deal or already have agreed to deal. The two sides are not that far apart and waivers are not needed.
b) Hathaway already cleared waivers early on in the 17/18 season and the Flames believe that is enough to undermine his case.
c) Hearing is set for 2pm ET on July 30th, meaning the Flames could put him on waivers tomorrow and complete the waiver process in time for their briefs due at 2pm ET on July 28th.
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I'm guessing it's B. He not only cleared waivers last year, he played games in the AHL too. It seems like a pretty easy case for a two-way deal.
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07-26-2018, 10:07 PM
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#256
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Originally Posted by AC
$5,338,290 if it's Rittich up with the Flames instead of Gillies.
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Aren't teams allowed to exceed the cap in the off season by a certain percentage? They only need to be cap compliant come season opener?
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07-27-2018, 01:09 AM
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#257
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by MarkGio
Aren't teams allowed to exceed the cap in the off season by a certain percentage? They only need to be cap compliant come season opener?
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07-28-2018, 10:42 AM
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#258
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Resident Videologist
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Location: Calgary
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@reporterchris: Garnet Hathaway/Calgary Flames salary arbitration filings
Player ask: $975,000
Team offer: $650,000
Hearing is scheduled for Monday.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...46856770338816
So expect an $812,500 contract?
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07-28-2018, 11:11 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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That team offer is way too high. Hathaway is a plug. I don't even want him on my fourth line if a guy like Lazar or Foo is available.
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