[News] Oliver Kylington, Derek Ryan and Zac Rinaldo on waivers. UPD: all 3 clear

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

I don’t know what Edmonton’s cap situation is, but if I was them, Kylington would be a good pickup

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

It's nothing to do with the taxi squad, but thanks for pointing out that I'm an idiot.

You make a huge mistake, and sign a guy to a not super great (even at the time) contract (with a limited NTC!), and then have to turn around and buy him out. And then you bring him back again, and then once more on a PTO. I'm just saying optically, aren't there about 300 other guys who could be equally as mediocre as Stone? Should Tre at least have some shame about signing that deal in the first place?

I guess I'm just more a believer in the "fool me once, shame on me" theory than I am the "devil you know" theory.

Stone lives in Calgary. Even in quarantine he can wave at his wife and kids and there's no time zone issues, and assuming it doesn't pan out, he just drives home. There are only 4 RDs on PTOs counting Stone, and IMO Stone is as good or better than 2 (and the other is Hamonic). Plus only Hamonic and Stone are on PTOs in Canada (including the LDs).

[CroFlames]

I'm surprised because I don't think Kylington is just another tweener.

His speed is blistering. Surely you can coach him into being a capable enough d-man, and use him as a secret weapon in transition?

I just don't recall ever seeing a d-man with those wheels. Maybe the kid should've considered a career as a forward...

[SuperMatt18]

One thing about Kylington...Noah Juulsen Same age, 1st rounder in 2015 but has shown less at the AHL and NHL levels got picked up off waivers yesterday.

Thinking about it more I’d actually very surprised if he isn’t claimed tomorrow and I have a feeling this organization might just be done with him anyways.

Even if he isn’t claimed maybe he gets traded shortly after like Kulak was.

[Vinny01]

Losing Kylington for nothing is going to sting because I do think he will be an everyday player in the league eventually

[Cain]

Count me in as one of the folks that sees a fair amount of potential in kylington. I think he will be a very good offensive dman one day. Sad that it likely won't be with the flames.


In all my viewings he looked like a guy who would be able to take that next step if he had consistent ice times and faith from the coaching staff who wouldn't bench him because of one miscue.



Could be wrong entirely, but I do think he's an NHLer with the potential to be a good one.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Losing Kylington for nothing is going to sting because I do think he will be an everyday player in the league eventually

Same here.

Worst case I was hoping they could flip him for a forward in a similar circumstance.

Like a Christian Fischer out of Arizona for example.

[Strange Brew]

Well Kylington has been mentioned in countless trade proposals and expansion draft scenarios. We are about to find out if he has any value at all.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

My apologies if this has been posted but NRD is fairly plugged in (and will tell you that in every other tweet) basically said Kylington is going to get claimed by the first team that has waiver priority.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NHLRumors...77732767510530

How do people keep falling for this account. The same guy used Francis as a source for Gaudreau trade rumours last week.

[AC]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Same here.

Worst case I was hoping they could flip him for a forward in a similar circumstance.

Like a Christian Fischer out of Arizona for example.

I would think if a team is taking the risk of losing a player on waivers, they probably checked to see if he had any trade interest around the league first.

[BigErnSalute_16]

After thinking about it, this is how I view the situation. I don't think the Flames are giving up on either of these players but I think they identified the best option for the team was to make the high risk high reward decision of putting them on waivers and hoping they don't get claimed.

For Kylington, I think they might have the perspective that the best thing for him would be AHL top pair defenseman. So put him on waivers on a day when a ton of other decent players are also on waivers and hope he slips through and can spend the entire year playing in all situations in Stockton.

For Ryan, I am assuming they might want to take a long look at Pelletier to start this season. He was very impressive at the WJC and stood out in positive ways outside of the scoresheet ie. forecheck back check and tenacity. And if the goal is to roll 4 lines and if the last of those four is centred by Bennett I could see them wanting to get some time in with Pelletier on Bennett's wing.

Something like this

Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube?
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Lucic/ Simon - Backlund - Leivo/Simon
Pelletier - Bennett - Lucic/Simon/Leivo

So move Ryan to the taxi squad, hope he doesn't get claimed and leave him there for the first couple weeks of the season until you know for sure if Pelletier can stick. If he can, it's a good problem to have to be able to bring Ryan back up as injury replacement. If he doesn't stick then you bring Ryan up to play RW on that 4th line.

If Ryan does get claimed, we now have 3 mil in cap space that we can use to make a trade later in the season or potentially sign a cheap replacement off of some PTO in the league.

Thats how I see it anyways. High risk but if neither get claimed it could end up being a very beneficial move for the flames now and in the long run

[SeanCharles]

Gaudreau-Monahan-Leivo
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Mangiapane-Backlund-Simon
Lucic-Bennett-Nordstrom

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Gaudreau-Monahan-Leivo
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Dube
Mangiapane-Backlund-Simon
Lucic-Bennett-Nordstrom

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich

Poor Bennett.

That 4th line won't contribute anything offensively.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Poor Bennett.

That 4th line won't contribute anything offensively.

Amazing what subtracting Ryan does to our depth. The forward group without Ryan is not an improvement on last season’s line-up.

Throw in one injury and it gets really ugly.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How do people keep falling for this account. The same guy used Francis as a source for Gaudreau trade rumours last week.

Are you confused for another Twitter handle? Just looked at all tweets in 2021 and do not see Gaudreaus name anywhere. This guy has been right a lot more than these other rumor handles. It is annoying but he proves it when he quotes an insider tweet and then shows that he mentioned the sam thing first.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Poor Bennett.

That 4th line won't contribute anything offensively.

Who cares? That line would absolutely crush fools physically. Not to mention the eye test for me in the playoffs last season was Lucic and Bennett became absolutle monsters.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Who cares? That line would absolutely crush fools physically. Not to mention the eye test for me in the playoffs last season was Lucic and Bennett became absolutle monsters.

Dube was more important to the success of that line.

Replace him with Nordstrom and Lucic/Bennett aren't quite the monsters they were in the playoffs IMO.

Ryan on the wing would help things a little, but count me in as someone that DOES care if Bennett produces offensively.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Amazing what subtracting Ryan does to our depth. The forward group without Ryan is not an improvement on last season’s line-up.

Throw in one injury and it gets really ugly.

I'm more worried about losing Kylington than Ryan.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I'm more worried about losing Kylington than Ryan.

I don't think anyone is more worried about losing Ryan.

It's more the fact that Ryan deserves to be in the lineup, while Kylington does not. Subtracting Kylington may hurt the future, but it doesn't hurt the Flames now.

Taking Ryan out makes the lineup worse right now IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Poor Bennett.



That 4th line won't contribute anything offensively.

The Flames are building a roster best suited to achieving success for the team, not just Sam Bennett. They clearly like him playing at centre, but that also restricts his offensive opportunities a lot because he is no where nearly as good as the three centres ahead of him.

It does suck for Bennett, but it is also reflective of how other young players like Dube and Mangiapane have developed and created a much deeper forward group.

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