Toronto is no good

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Toronto's never gone full rebuild, it's about time they did, it's what they need. However, I hate Toronto so I was kind of hoping they'd keep being terrible indefinitely. Hopefully they go full Edmonton and stay terrible permanently while trying to sell people on the future.

[Vinny01]

Reading these Leaf "blow the team up" proposals in HF boards they are beyond delusional to their players value. They think Dion is going to return a first, prospect and roster player. They think Kessel will return an elite level prospect and a first. They are in for a wake up call as Dion will be a contract dump and Kessel will not get what they hope for

[Burke Salad]

Originally Posted by getbak

Reporting for duty.

Which is the better, more iconic dance routine, Michael Jackson at the 25th Motown Anniversary or Scorch in random woods?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Reading these Leaf "blow the team up" proposals in HF boards they are beyond delusional to their players value. They think Dion is going to return a first, prospect and roster player. They think Kessel will return an elite level prospect and a first. They are in for a wake up call as Dion will be a contract dump and Kessel will not get what they hope for

As I said in another post if Toronto is really on board for a full rebuild, they can take back unwanted crap contracts, which will increase the return they can get on those 2. I think if done right , Dion can get a better return than a contract dump. Same with Kessel, but I'm not sure about HF's dream of elite prospect and first. Maybe late first and a "Sven" like prospect, but not a blue chip "Bennett" type prospect.

[nik-]

I'm not a Dion fan in the slightest, but I think he gets a first no problem if they retain some of that salary. If they put Dion out there at 5 million a year, they'll get really good offers.

[Harry Lime]

With some Toronto talk in the trade speculation thread, I decided to look around at some rumours and proposals around the web. Wow.

I always thought that Edmonton was the worst fan base for overestimating the value of their players. The weird thing is that Edmonton's administration also overvalues the same way. But Toronto's administration could cut the fan's estimated player value in half and still not be based in reality.

The overwhelming suggested of value and destination for Phil Kessel is Nashville, with a return of Jones, Fiala and a pick. That is beyond insane. Toronto's rebuild is going to go so incredibly badly, if the fans are not on board what will actually happen.

I actually saw a discussion on a Rangers rumour, where the fan's perspective in Toronto was that they should turn down any Rangers offer because they couldn't produce the value of Seth Jones and a 1st.

This next year is going to be Oilers awesome.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

With some Toronto talk in the trade speculation thread, I decided to look around at some rumours and proposals around the web. Wow.

I always thought that Edmonton was the worst fan base for overestimating the value of their players. The weird thing is that Edmonton's administration also overvalues the same way. But Toronto's administration could cut the fan's estimated player value in half and still not be based in reality.

The overwhelming suggested of value and destination for Phil Kessel is Nashville, with a return of Jones, Fiala and a pick. That is beyond insane. Toronto's rebuild is going to go so incredibly badly, if the fans are not on board what will actually happen.

I actually saw a discussion on a Rangers rumour, where the fan's perspective in Toronto was that they should turn down any Rangers offer because they couldn't produce the value of Seth Jones and a 1st.

This next year is going to be Oilers awesome.

I still remember the days when Oilers fans were positive Gagner would fetch a 1st round pick and he ultimately his return was a player that was bound for waivers/buyout.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I still remember the days when Oilers fans were positive Gagner would fetch a 1st round pick and he ultimately his return was a player that was bound for waivers/buyout.

Still remember in 2007 Oilers fans saying they wouldn't trade Gagner straight across for Jarome Iginla. Saying Iginla was old and past his prime (at age 30) and Gagner was a future star.

Funny thing is here we are 8 years later, Iginla is 38 years old and is still a better player than Gagner.

But it's true that Leaves fans are delusional. Saw a fan suggest David Clarkson and Dion Phaneuf for TJ Brodie. True story.

[saillias]

Rhett on the Fan the other day wanted to give up Brodie and a 1st for Kessel.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by saillias

Rhett on the Fan the other day wanted to give up Brodie and a 1st for Kessel.

Maybe he was just trying to open up a spot for himself?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by saillias

Rhett on the Fan the other day wanted to give up Brodie and a 1st for Kessel.

I wouldn't even trade Brodie straight up for that fat man child.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by saillias

Rhett on the Fan the other day wanted to give up Brodie and a 1st for Kessel.

That trade would easily make is better today, maaaaayyyyybbee, but terrible in a year or two.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

With some Toronto talk in the trade speculation thread, I decided to look around at some rumours and proposals around the web. Wow.

I always thought that Edmonton was the worst fan base for overestimating the value of their players. The weird thing is that Edmonton's administration also overvalues the same way. But Toronto's administration could cut the fan's estimated player value in half and still not be based in reality.

The overwhelming suggested of value and destination for Phil Kessel is Nashville, with a return of Jones, Fiala and a pick. That is beyond insane. Toronto's rebuild is going to go so incredibly badly, if the fans are not on board what will actually happen.

I actually saw a discussion on a Rangers rumour, where the fan's perspective in Toronto was that they should turn down any Rangers offer because they couldn't produce the value of Seth Jones and a 1st.

This next year is going to be Oilers awesome.

Over and over I keep reading "any deal with Nashville begins and ends with Jones. As if a one dimensional winger is some power/trump card Nashville would fall over themselves to get. Seriously, they're the best team in the league, have two franchise dmen (which is really the hardest asset to get) and the best goalie in the league. What exactly is the point in trading the hardest thing to get for a 27 year old one dimensional winger. It's just dumb, dumb, dumb

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That trade would easily make is better today, maaaaayyyyybbee, but terrible in a year or two.

Actually, I would say that trade would make us far worse today, and only going downhill from there. Top pair defencemen are far more valuable than one-dimensional wingers. Even if they are exceptional at that one dimension.

[Mony]

Originally Posted by Red John

Still remember in 2007 Oilers fans saying they wouldn't trade Gagner straight across for Jarome Iginla. Saying Iginla was old and past his prime (at age 30) and Gagner was a future star.

Funny thing is here we are 8 years later, Iginla is 38 years old and is still a better player than Gagner.

But it's true that Leaves fans are delusional. Saw a fan suggest David Clarkson and Dion Phaneuf for TJ Brodie. True story.

But 8 points remember?

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Over and over I keep reading "any deal with Nashville begins and ends with Jones. As if a one dimensional winger is some power/trump card Nashville would fall over themselves to get. Seriously, they're the best team in the league, have two franchise dmen (which is really the hardest asset to get) and the best goalie in the league. What exactly is the point in trading the hardest thing to get for a 27 year old one dimensional winger. It's just dumb, dumb, dumb

Are you calling Seth Jones a Franchise Dman? That's ridiculous.

And call Kessel one-dimensional all you want, he's one of the best offensive players in the world.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Are you calling Seth Jones a Franchise Dman? That's ridiculous.

No it isn't. It's a very reasonable projection.

And call Kessel one-dimensional all you want, he's one of the best offensive players in the world.

Exactly. That's his dimension. He sucks at everything else.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Are you calling Seth Jones a Franchise Dman? That's ridiculous.

And call Kessel one-dimensional all you want, he's one of the best offensive players in the world.

Seth Jones will be a franchise d man, yes

He's one of the best offensive wingers, yup. While he's great at that dimension, it's still only one.

There's not a team on this planet that wouldn't choose Jones over Kessel alone, never mind the throw ins

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Seth Jones will be a franchise d man, yes

He's one of the best offensive wingers, yup. While he's great at that dimension, it's still only one.

There's not a team on this planet that wouldn't choose Jones over Kessel alone, never mind the throw ins

So the call who is 100% proven at the NHL level and is top 5 in NHL points the last 4 years is just some crappy One-Dimensional winger and Seth Jones is already a franchise D-Man.

Yet you've changed your statement to "Will Be".

[Red John]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

So the call who is 100% proven at the NHL level and is top 5 in NHL points the last 4 years is just some crappy One-Dimensional winger and Seth Jones is already a franchise D-Man.

Yet you've changed your statement to "Will Be".

Every NHL GM would take Jones over Kessel.