2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

Vastly? Not sure I would go there. Different type of player which makes them difficult to judge TBH. Eichel is better at driving the play, but that isn't Monahan's job with Gaudreau on the wing. Eichel has never really impressed me much, but he plays for Buffalo so that may have something to do with it. He definitely isn't like McHobo and is elite at anything. He's a way above average center, but not a dominant player like McHobo. I put Eichel in the same class as Monahan, maybe a little higher only because he is a line driver. Monahan is criminally under-rated around here.

You put Eichel in the same class as Monahan, but you don’t think Buffalo would trade Eichel for a 2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2023 1st, Noah Hanifin, Sam Bennett, Jakob Pelletier, and Derek Ryan...wow.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If you watch them, Gaudreau passes to Monahan a lot just into the zone and it’s Monahan who decides whether to pass back, drop to a trailer, go to the other side, or shoot. Monahan does a lot of puck distribution. He’s also the first outlet pass a lot. His only real issue IMO is a lack of speed.

Well, that's just it, right? A few of us have been watching them pretty closely for nearly a decade. Monahan's game is pretty subdued, so it is really easy to miss a lot of what he is doing.

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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Wow today I learned that Eichel and Monahan are on the same tier. This is starting to tread dangerously close to a few years ago when a one or two commented that they would take Monahan over McDavid. As a fan board we are expected to be biased but this is hfboards stuff. Watch hockey other than your own team occasionally instead of just deferring to raw point totals as the only measure.

Yes, there’s little doubt in my mind that Eichel is elite who could be an MVP candidate while Monahan is good to very good who might see an all star game or two. Eichel is a no questions asked Olympian. Canada could send two teams to the Olympics and Monahan probably doesn’t make that team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, there’s little doubt in my mind that Eichel is elite who could be an MVP candidate while Monahan is good to very good who might see an all star game or two. Eichel is a no questions asked Olympian. Canada could send two teams to the Olympics and Monahan probably doesn’t make that team.

He would probably make the US team, though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Wow today I learned that Eichel and Monahan are on the same tier. This is starting to tread dangerously close to a few years ago when a one or two commented that they would take Monahan over McDavid. As a fan board we are expected to be biased but this is hfboards stuff. Watch hockey other than your own team occasionally instead of just deferring to raw point totals as the only measure.

I’d say Mackinnon and Matthews are a rung higher than Eichel, who is likely in a level with guys like Tavares, prime Thornton, prime Getzlaf, etc. when all is said and done. I haven’t watched him enough to be a fair judge though. His production has always fallen short of what I thought it would be and this year it’s bad. Monahan has a slump? Look at Eichel.

Monahan’s obviously below the top few levels. I’d say he’s only behind because of his skating though. It’s a huge factor.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, that's just it, right? A few of us have been watching them pretty closely for nearly a decade. Monahan's game is pretty subdued, so it is really easy to miss a lot of what he is doing.

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He’s not fast, he doesn’t dangle. He doesn’t show a lot of emotion. But he gets the job done more often than not, and I respect his work ethic.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, again, how "close" that gap is is pretty impressionistic. And while you may be right about how the line struggles during the playoffs, I fail to see how Monahan shoulders all the blame for that, especially considering that he has consistently been one of the Flames's best players in the playoffs.

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Best players? He is invisible 5 on 5. He shoulders most of the blame cause he's playing centre, the position that has the most influence on a game in terms of game flow and possession. The fact the opposition can solely focus on JG and only worry about Monahan when he is in front of the net/slot makes that line much easier to defend and the main reason they struggle when the intensity ramps up. I guess you under value the centre position when it comes to playoff success.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He would probably make the US team, though.

Really? Mathews and Eichel are there a head of Monahan. I would have Larkin over him as well. JT Miller. If he plays C probably bumps Monahan out for me.

[DeluxeMoustache]

John Tavares is not on the same level as prime Joe Thornton

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

John Tavares is not on the same level as prime Joe Thornton

LOL - so you took that entire post and decided to quibble about that? Fine. They were broad categories. Split them up if you like.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He’s not fast, he doesn’t dangle. He doesn’t show a lot of emotion. But he gets the job done more often than not, and I respect his work ethic.

I for one want the return of the murderous 'Angry Mean Seanahan'

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, that's just it, right? A few of us have been watching them pretty closely for nearly a decade. Monahan's game is pretty subdued, so it is really easy to miss a lot of what he is doing.

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Pretty sure I've been watching the Flames "pretty closely" for the better part of 30 years. You should try watching teams other than the Flames, it may enlighten you. You don't win in crunch time with Monahan as your #1 C, its pretty plain and simple, and their is plenty of evidence to support that FACT.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Best players? He is invisible 5 on 5. He shoulders most of the blame cause he's playing centre, the position that has the most influence on a game in terms of game flow and possession. The fact the opposition can solely focus on JG and only worry about Monahan when he is in front of the net/slot makes that line much easier to defend and the main reason they struggle when in the intensity ramps up. I guess you under value the centre position when it comes to playoff success.

He said best players in the POs. Go look up the production. It’s a low bar, but he’s ahead of pretty much everyone, including the guys who have more talent, the guys who supposedly have more drive, etc. He and Bennett have provided almost all of the offence. And Dube last year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Really? Mathews and Eichel are there a head of Monahan. I would have Larkin over him as well. JT Miller. If he plays C probably bumps Monahan out for me.

I very seriously doubt that Miller would make the US team as a centre, and there is no way he would bump Monahan. I really like Larkin, but I think he is in the same tier: he is a great skater, but also has holes in his game.

Anyhow, my point in bringing up the US team was because "Olimpic team" is not an even comparison on its own. Would Eichel make Team Canada? I am sceptical.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Pretty sure I've been watching the Flames "pretty closely" for the better part of 30 years. You should try watching teams other than the Flames, it may enlighten you. You don't win in crunch time with Monahan as your #1 C, its pretty plain and simple, and their is plenty of evidence to support that FACT.

No one disagrees with the fact Monahan isn’t an elite C and you would want a better one to win the cup. Or, like they were trying to achieve another C at his level to give a one-two punch. That doesn’t change the fact he is underrated here for what he brings. He’s not just a tap-in machine for Gaudreau.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He said best players in the POs. Go look up the production. It’s a low bar, but he’s ahead of pretty much everyone, including the guys who have more talent, the guys who supposedly have more drive, etc. He and Bennett have provided almost all of the offence. And Dube last year.

So I'm supposed to take that comment as a positive when the bar is that low? Great Monahan chips in on the power play in the playoffs and is terrible in every other situation. The Flames are going places with that standard!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Pretty sure I've been watching the Flames "pretty closely" for the better part of 30 years. You should try watching teams other than the Flames, it may enlighten you. You don't win in crunch time with Monahan as your #1 C, its pretty plain and simple, and their is plenty of evidence to support that FACT.

I watch plenty of hockey, thanks.

Let's gain some perspective her on exactly what it is I have been saying: my point is not that Monahan is an elite-level player—far from it. My point is rather that he is MUCH better than some posters give him credit for—that he is a very good player in his own right who is integral to the team's offence, and not simply dependent on Gaudreau.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I very seriously doubt that Miller would make the US team as a centre, and there is no way he would bump Monahan. I really like Larkin, but I think he is in the same tier: he is a great skater, but also has holes in his game.

Anyhow, my point in bringing up the US team was because "Olimpic team" is not an even comparison on its own. Would Eichel make Team Canada? I am sceptical.

Eichel doesn’t likely make team Canada as a C. McDavid, Mackinnon, Bergeron are locks and then you have a bunch of guys like Scheifele, Tavares, Stamkos, ROR, Barzal and of course Sidney.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Talking about delusional

A few facts here.

Since Jack Eichel came into the league he's played 387 games and has scored 139 goals and 212 assists for 351 points (14th for centers). He's playing 20:20 a game. Eichel has some serious challenges to his game. He's only a 44.1% faceoff guy. He's also terrible defensively being an incredible -66. He is very good, but he does nothing at the elite level.

Comparatively, Sean Monahan played 405 games and has scored 145 goals and 185 assists for 330 points (18th for centers). He's playing 18:31 a game. Monahan is a 51% faceoff guy. He's a -14 player.

Jack Eichel is NOT Connor McDavid. Not even close. In that same time frame McHobo has played played 374 games and has scored 176 goals and 333 assists for 509 points. The spread between Eichel and Monahan is 21 points. The spread between Eichel and McHobo is 158 points.

Eichel and Monahan are very comparable. Style of play is different, but production is very similar. Those who believe that Eichel comes here and turns into the answer to McHobo are in for a massive disappointment. Eichel is a very good player, but not in that same class as McHobo. Eichel is in the same band of players as Seguin, Bergeron, O'Reilly, Toews, Schenn, and Couturier.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CGY12

So I'm supposed to take that comment as a positive when the bar is that low? Great Monahan chips in on the power play in the playoffs and is terrible in every other situation. The Flames are going places with that standard!

No, you are supposed to take that comment as an indication you didn’t read what you were responding to.