[Trade] Wild trade Scandella, Pominville, 4th to Sabres for Ennis, Foligno, 3rd

[devo22]

Wild asked for at least a 1st for Scandella at the draft (and IIRC turned down 18th overall). This looks like a big win for Buffalo to me.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I get that it's a cap dump saving $3ish M in cap space but IMO the Sabres get the best two players in that trade.

Brutal trade for Minnesota IMO

Buffalo got the two best players in the deal, including a top 4/5 d-man, in exchange for Ennis who is terrible now and Foligno who is an okay 3rd liner.

Pominville is a 34 year old 3rd liner making 5.6 million for the next two years. Horrid contract with negative value. Of course Ennis makes 4.6 million but is only 27 so maybe he can rebound.

Saying BUF got the two best players would be to ignore the contracts. I'd take Foligno over either of the bad contracts. Ennis and Pominville are both on god awful contracts. Foligno and Scandella are the two valuable pieces in the deal. Is it surprising Scandella could only return Foligno and a million in cap savings? Yeah I guess. Don't try and paint Pominville's 5.6 million for two years as a positive acquisition though

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's funny - the Wild didn't want to lose a d-man in the expansion draft (and protected Pominville) so they traded Haula & Tuch.

Now they trade a d-man (they traded assets for to protect) and Pominville out for really nothing in return IMO.

Haula, Tuch, Pominville, Scandella, 4th for Foglino, Ennis, 2 3rds

That is horrible asset management IMO.

Between this trade, the return for Mehot...I wonder if Vegas has messed up the trade market for defensemen given they have 3 more they need to trade

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's funny - the Wild didn't want to lose a d-man in the expansion draft (and protected Pominville) so they traded Haula & Tuch.

Now they trade a d-man (they traded assets for to protect) and Pominville out for really nothing in return IMO.

They had to protect Pominville (He has a NMC according to CapFrendly) and the D-men they didn't want to lose wasn't Scandella. I think the trade is fine all things considered. Sure the Wild give up more talent but they rebuild some depth at forward, get a bit younger, and get some cap room.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Pominville is a 34 year old 3rd liner making 5.6 million for the next two years. Horrid contract with negative value. Of course Ennis makes 4.6 million but is only 27 so maybe he can rebound.

Saying BUF got the two best players would be to ignore the contracts. I'd take Foligno over either of the bad contracts. Ennis and Pominville are both on god awful contracts. Foligno and Scandella are the two valuable pieces in the deal. Is it surprising Scandella could only return Foligno and a million in cap savings? Yeah I guess. Don't try and paint Pominville's 5.6 million for two years as a positive acquisition though

Pominville had 47 points last year and is still a very productive player. Good advanced stats as well, he was 9th in the NHL in pts per 6 minutes and was a driver for them.

He is maybe about $1.5M overpaid but I feel like negative value is a bit harsh. People are lining up to sign Justin Williams at age 36 with his 48 points last year.

Would much rather have his 47 points for $5.6M then have Ennis and his 13 points for $4.6M. Ennis holds way more negative value here IMO.

Foligno is a good 3rd liner but nothing special and needs a new contract. And Scandella should be worth way more than him alone.

In terms of impact to the team next year Buffalo got the two best players - and Pominville's contract is irrelevant since Buffalo got rid of an even worse contract to acquire him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I feel like Minnesota is a weaker team now than they were before the expansion draft. Good news for the Flames.

It probably won't have much of an impact on what happens to Calgary, who should be competing for the Division. There will definitely be a power shift in the Central, and with Minnesota sliding back I would expect to see Dallas as a real threat to their playoff hopes.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Ennis had a nightmare season with injuries. He's still young, I'm guessing the Wild believe he will stay healthy and rebound. I think he might actually have a decent season.

[868904]

Chris Stewart and Marcus Foligno. Wild will be a tough team to play against next year. They got two of the better face punchers who can also play a decent shift.

[nmhen]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's funny - the Wild didn't want to lose a d-man in the expansion draft (and protected Pominville) so they traded Haula & Tuch.

Now they trade a d-man (they traded assets for to protect) and Pominville out for really nothing in return IMO.

Haula, Tuch, Pominville, Scandella, 4th for Foglino, Ennis, 2 3rds

That is horrible asset management IMO.

Well, in Chuck Fletcher-land, this is rational.

He painted himself into a corner cap-wise. He sold his owner on the Wild being a contender this year. Scandella is a bottom half D on the Wild - with a $4M CH. Pominville has severely deteriorated offensively, still good defensively and in the room. He's a 3rd line F now. But he carries a $5.6M CH.

And Chuck has to re-sign Granlund and Niederreiter (RFAs) this summer.

He needed cap space, and moving one of Dumba, Scandella, or Brodin was identified as the best way to do that. So he protects them at the expansion draft, so that he has the option to move one after. That's what he did. Getting Pominville added in is gravy. Maybe on BUF he's a value at that cap hit/functionality. But not in cap-strapped Minny.

I'm far from a Fletcher fan. He's not even the best GM in his own family. He has made so many mistakes in his young career as a GM that he can't have any more on his record or he gets the axe (that's my assumption). So he is reticent to acknowledge that decisions that he's made that were bad, or went bad after he made them, are mistakes - which means he doubles down on them. That hubris is going to hamper the Wild for a long time.

But, given all that is under the bridge at this point, his moves the past couple weeks actually represent moving forward. I'll take it.

[nmhen]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Ennis had a nightmare season with injuries. He's still young, I'm guessing the Wild believe he will stay healthy and rebound. I think he might actually have a decent season.

He's also bros with Spurgeon, FWIW.

http://www.startribune.com/best-of-b...-it/117470823/

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by nmhen

Well, in Chuck Fletcher-land, this is rational.

He painted himself into a corner cap-wise. He sold his owner on the Wild being a contender this year. Scandella is a bottom half D on the Wild - with a $4M CH. Pominville has severely deteriorated offensively, still good defensively and in the room. He's a 3rd line F now. But he carries a $5.6M CH.

And Chuck has to re-sign Granlund and Niederreiter (RFAs) this summer.

He needed cap space, and moving one of Dumba, Scandella, or Brodin was identified as the best way to do that. So he protects them at the expansion draft, so that he has the option to move one after. That's what he did. Getting Pominville added in is gravy. Maybe on BUF he's a value at that cap hit/functionality. But not in cap-strapped Minny.

I'm far from a Fletcher fan. He's not even the best GM in his own family. He has made so many mistakes in his young career as a GM that he can't have any more on his record or he gets the axe (that's my assumption). So he is reticent to acknowledge that decisions that he's made that were bad, or went bad after he made them, are mistakes - which means he doubles down on them. That hubris is going to hamper the Wild for a long time.

But, given all that is under the bridge at this point, his moves the past couple weeks actually represent moving forward. I'll take it.

Honestly if this trade was Pominville, Scandella for Foglino and a 3rd then it actually makes more sense.

But the downgrade from Pominville to Ennis while only saving $1M in cap space is what makes this trade horrendus.

Actually wouldn't have minded if the Flames made a similar trade with the Wild.

Scandella, Pominville for Brouwer, Chiasson, 4th

Really that is what this trade was.

[nmhen]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly if this trade was Pominville, Scandella for Foglino and a 3rd then it actually makes more sense.

But the downgrade from Pominville to Ennis while only saving $1M in cap space is what makes this trade horrendus.

Actually wouldn't have minded if the Flames made a similar trade with the Wild.

Scandella, Pominville for Brouwer, Chiasson, 4th

Really that is what this trade was.

I haven't watched a lot of Ennis, granted. But having watched a lot of Pommer, let's just say replacing him is a low bar.

Last 2 seasons Foligno had 23 goals, Pommer had 24. Pommer has suffered through the kind of slide we saw from Heatley a couple season back. Can't be a defensive specialist making $5.6M.

Would I rather have gotten like a 3rd round pick? Maybe, yeah. But then I'd have to trust that Chuck would spend that money wisely. And that's not a leap of faith I cherish taking at this point with him.

[Krynn]

Really lol

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Additional wrinkle in this trade is Pominville is owed a $2.5 million signing bonus tomorrow

So, this is one deal where the old "it would have to happen right now for it to make sense" thing is actually true.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Fletcher: There's two Foligno?!

[Love]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Always liked Marcus Foligno.

Big guy that can skate well and actually play a bit.

Solid 3rd liner IMO.

Yeah he's looked good every time I've watched him play. Big physical guy that can skate hard and handle the puck. Ferland vibes.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Fletcher: There's two Foligno?!

Wild owners: There's two Fletchers?!

[rbochan]

Just what Buffalo needs... watching Pominweasel skate the puck down the side boards, shoot the puck into the goalie's chest pad, and skate around the end boards chewing on his mouth guard like it owes him money.
Again.

Sigh.