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Old 05-18-2017, 07:13 AM   #6501
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Ah yes, you're right. Still though, what GM with his pedigree signs on to that Taylor Hall-led, old boys club mess without some bright light at the end of the tunnel? He got the job shortly after the Oilers won the McDavid lottery draft, you gotta think that was a hugely attractive perk to going there.
Most definitely McDavid was the major selling point although Chiarelli may have considered the job even without McDavid if he was offered full autonomy and the ability to hire/fire everyone including the Oilers alumni. Does McLellan go there without McDavid? Not sure as that group at the time looked coach killers.
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Yep agreed. Winning the McDavid draft attracted Chia there, then the combo of a generational talent and a GM with enough rep that he won't just be a yes man to the old boys club helped secure the rest of the capable new hires. I think that team looks completely different right now on the ice, behind the bench and upstairs in the box if that lottery ball falls another way. Landing a player of that pedigree attracts talent
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In Crosby's first three years in the NHL, he had to share the spotlight with Ovi. If you remember, Ovi was really pouring it on and seemed like he could be the better player with all those highlight reel goals, even scoring 65 goals in his 3rd year. Crosby came roaring back and was the better player for the next 5 or 6 years.

McDavid doesn't have an Ovechkin right now, so he's already in the spotlight on his own. He's the lone player of his caliber and so his contract will be totally unique. Laine, Mathews, Eichel, etc are not on the same level as McDavid.

There's no reason for the agent to ask for anything less than max term and max dollar. This kid is the best since Crosby and there won't be another one like him for at least 10+ years. It's not the players job to ask for less money so the club can be more competitive.
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Does this look like the face of a man who will leave money on the table?



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a G4 jet is only about 4 million bucks right now and a flight crew will cost you probably 300 k a year. At least he won't have to rent a hanger in Edmonton though.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:30 AM   #6506
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Friedman was speculating this morning that Draisaitl was the 1A contract and he was looking for 7.5. McDavid is the 1 contract, and he wasn't looking for maximum term but probably 5 years and 11 to 12 million dollars, which could be a nightmare scenario for the Oilers.
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Friedman was speculating this morning that Draisaitl was the 1A contract and he was looking for 7.5. McDavid is the 1 contract, and he wasn't looking for maximum term but probably 5 years and 11 to 12 million dollars, which could be a nightmare scenario for the Oilers.
Makes sense for McDavid to ask for a contract term that gets him to UFA as fast as possible.
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Friedman was speculating this morning that Draisaitl was the 1A contract and he was looking for 7.5. McDavid is the 1 contract, and he wasn't looking for maximum term but probably 5 years and 11 to 12 million dollars, which could be a nightmare scenario for the Oilers.
Oiler fans would lose their minds, which is reason enough to want to see it.

But if you think about it (as an Oiler fan, I mean), 5 years would suck on the surface, but it would mean a lower cap hit. Essentially it would shorten the window but open that window a little wider.

If you were an Oiler fan, would you accept that trade-off?
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Oiler fans would lose their minds, which is reason enough to want to see it.

But if you think about it (as an Oiler fan, I mean), 5 years would suck on the surface, but it would mean a lower cap hit. Essentially it would shorten the window but open that window a little wider.

If you were an Oiler fan, would you accept that trade-off?
Not to mention things can change in 5 years (6 with the last year on this deal). He goes from 20 to 26, gets established in Edmonton and then chooses to stay.

Kind of like the Gaudreau contract at 6 years, I don't sweat it.
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Friedman was speculating this morning that Draisaitl was the 1A contract and he was looking for 7.5. McDavid is the 1 contract, and he wasn't looking for maximum term but probably 5 years and 11 to 12 million dollars, which could be a nightmare scenario for the Oilers.
Duhatschek was speculating something very similar the other night as well.
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Not to mention things can change in 5 years (6 with the last year on this deal). He goes from 20 to 26, gets established in Edmonton and then chooses to stay.

Kind of like the Gaudreau contract at 6 years, I don't sweat it.
Maybe he settles down with an Edmonton girl but otherwise not likely to happen. More than a few eastern based teams will be setting up their salary cap situations to offer him a max deal when he's UFA and I simply don't see the best player in the game choosing to play his entire career in Edmonton. If you were born in Calgary and drafted by say the Sabres would you spend your entire career there if you had 30 other options including some world class cities closer to home? Not likely.
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his agent is pretty saavy here. If this is true this is all about options and cashing in.

While there is a good chance that McDavid would get an offer sheet, if he pushes things to UFA and McDavid builds a resume, he'll probably get a cyclone bidding war when he hits UFA, he'll be able to effectively pick and choose and the 5 years will allow a lot of teams to clear their decks cap wise because getting a McDavid for next to nothing is just too hard to pass up.

Plus there's market seduction as well, McDavid can choose where he wants to play New York, Colorado, LA, Toronto Philly.

As well a lower year deal will allow them to know where the cap is going to be and what the next NHL/NHLPA landscape is going to be, he might be able to max out at 14 now I think, but in 5 years maybe its 16 or 17. Now Oiler fans will huff and say, with Connor its not about the money, its about his special relationship with Edmonton and its fan. But talk to any player and its a straight math equation. Short career x max dollars = cramming money away for the future. If he can go 5 years at 12 and then 7 at lets say 17 or 18 it makes sense to go short.

He's also able to give Edmonton a slight discount in exchange for less term and come out looking like the hero that Messier likes to bounce on his lap and hand feed chips too.
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He will be a leaf in his first year of UFA eligibility
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Or he will go to Buffalo to make amends for that lottery
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Not to mention things can change in 5 years (6 with the last year on this deal). He goes from 20 to 26, gets established in Edmonton and then chooses to stay.

Kind of like the Gaudreau contract at 6 years, I don't sweat it.
Well, I think 5 years definitely falls into the 'sweat it' camp.

Six is arguable, because it really comes down to wanting the next contract to start at 27-29 (depending on the player).

But 5... 5 says 'yeah, you're going to have to convince me to stay'
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He will be a leaf in his first year of UFA eligibility
That's always a possibility but if Matthews is the real deal he's going to be a player fetching close to max salary and it would be difficult to make things work adding a max salary for McDavid and would Matthews accept being a 2nd line center? Rangers will be major players as always and having McDavid in NY would be great for the league.
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By the time McDavid reaches UFA a bunch of different teams could be in far different positions in terms of their cap and where they are in a contending cycle. LA for instance.
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Well, I think 5 years definitely falls into the 'sweat it' camp.

Six is arguable, because it really comes down to wanting the next contract to start at 27-29 (depending on the player).

But 5... 5 says 'yeah, you're going to have to convince me to stay'
I agree that 5 years is telling of a player that strictly wants to do his time and move on after.
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Well, I think 5 years definitely falls into the 'sweat it' camp.

Six is arguable, because it really comes down to wanting the next contract to start at 27-29 (depending on the player).

But 5... 5 says 'yeah, you're going to have to convince me to stay'
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Oiler fans would lose their minds, which is reason enough to want to see it.

But if you think about it (as an Oiler fan, I mean), 5 years would suck on the surface, but it would mean a lower cap hit. Essentially it would shorten the window but open that window a little wider.

If you were an Oiler fan, would you accept that trade-off?
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Not to mention things can change in 5 years (6 with the last year on this deal). He goes from 20 to 26, gets established in Edmonton and then chooses to stay.

Kind of like the Gaudreau contract at 6 years, I don't sweat it.
Yup, the cap goes up 5-6 times along with maximum salary.

Why be stuck with the current maximum salary when you could get the higher maximum salary years down the road?
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