2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1098630627094605825

Big bucks!

$52.5 million.

I bet he could be had on a much better cap hit with more term and little extra tacked on for total value.

$55 million, 7 years = $7.86 per

Come to Calgary to play on a contender with your brother Mark. Do it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

$52.5 million.

I bet he could be had on a much better cap hit with more term and little extra tacked on for total value.

$55 million, 7 years = $7.86 per

Come to Calgary to play on a contender with your brother Mark. Do it.

Sure, if Stone thinks he can't make ny money at the end of 5 years. But let's say he thinks he can make at least $5M per year then.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Hayes is what we need.

I always think he'll end up on the Flames

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[neo45]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

$52.5 million.

I bet he could be had on a much better cap hit with more term and little extra tacked on for total value.

$55 million, 7 years = $7.86 per

Come to Calgary to play on a contender with your brother Mark. Do it.

Adding term will get you a SLIGHT discount on AAV. He isn’t tacking on years at the end his contract at 1.25 million per year.

Those are his prime earning years. The 5 year deal with Ottawa would let him cash in on another huge UFA contract when he is 30-31

[Robo]

Would we want stone at a cap hit like that especially since our top 3 are arguably just as good and the 3 of them combined are only making like 6 million a year more

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1098630627094605825

Big bucks!

No kidding! He's a very good player. But when did the teams start paying $10.5M for 20+ goals/60+ points/season producers? This is more than Ovechnkin/Crosby/Stamkos contracts. At this point, I have zero doubts, Flames are not pursuing him. There is no good way to balance the team optics of paying this kind of money for a 20-goal player against Gaudreau's or Monahan's contracts.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by neo45

Adding term will get you a SLIGHT discount on AAV. He isn’t tacking on years at the end his contract at 1.25 million per year.

Those are his prime earning years. The 5 year deal with Ottawa would let him cash in on another huge UFA contract when he is 30-31

Stone turns 27 in May so think that would make him a UFA at 32 on July 1st 2024 - so yeah agree that while those years would be slightly cheaper but probably not a whole lot.

The proposed contract looks like this:

19/20 - age 27 - $10.5
20/21 - age 28- $10.5
21/22 - age 29 - $10.5
22/23 - age 30 - $10.5
23/24 - age 31 - $10.5

So if you're Stone what is your better bet?

Add two years at $7M at the end of the proposed contract to bring the total cap hit down to $9.5M and go UFA at age 34 - which is a risky age to get another contract.

24/25 - age 32 - $7M
25/26 - age 33 - $7M

Or is it better for him to take the 5 year deal and then try to get another big contract at 32 (or sign an extension at age 31 coming off his 30 year old season).

As long as he can get more than 2 years at $7M on July 1 2024 (or on an extension) he'd probably be better off with the shorter term contract. And at that time you will have another team in Seattle and a higher salary cap so may be easier to get a deal then.

[Split98]

$10.5 is definitely an overpayment from the Sens, and I think both parties know it. He's going to have to put up with some frustrating years, but Stone doesn't sign that contract in Ottawa if he doesn't think he can win as a Senator. A part of convincing him to take the overpayment is convincing him that he'll be the cornerstone to a winning franchise. That's gotta be pretty tough for Stone to buy right now, so it'll be a very interesting weekend.

Really hope the fireworks hold off until Monday though! Going to be in Ottawa this weekend and it'll be a lot more fun if the hockey part of Ottawa is buzzing over 'what if' opposed to coming to terms with how much worse their team is going to be.

Or... send a Sen to Calgary for the Sunday game

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

No kidding! He's a very good player. But when did the teams start paying $10.5M for 20+ goals/60+ points/season producers? This is more than Ovechnkin/Crosby/Stamkos contracts. At this point, I have zero doubts, Flames are not pursuing him. There is no good way to balance the team optics of paying this kind of money for a 20-goal player against Gaudreau's or Monahan's contracts.

Putting your discredit of Stone aside (he's at 28 goals before his 60th game) PPG player the past two seasons... Crosby's contract was signed six years ago, Ovehckin's a decade ago and by all accounts Stamkos took a discount to sign long term with the Lightning and avoided free agency.

The cap goes up, the players get more.

[SuperMatt18]

The craziest contract value is actually Kucherov and really I feel like that is the proxy for what a "discount" contract looks like right now.

284 points in his last 215 games - probably the best offensive player in the NHL and signed for 8 years at $9.5M cap hit.

And even for the first 5 years of that contract Kucherov is only making $10.4M AAV, so seems crazy that in the same season that extension was signed that Matthews/Stone would make more on 5 year deals.

If he actually went UFA this off-season what would he have gotten on the open market coming off a season where he's on pace for 130 points and 1.6 PPG on the best team in the league?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheKurgan

I actually hope Stone does resign in Ottawa. That franchise needs something positive to happen and a player to build around.

So assuming Stone does resign in Ottawa, would his brother waive his NTC to go there? Maybe the Flames could swing a trade for Dzingel and work in a small cap dump at the same time.

To Ottawa:
- 2019 First Round pick
- Michael Stone
- maybe a second tier prospect like Lazar/Quine/Foo if needed

To Calgary:
- Ryan Dzingel

It would leave us with no 1st/2nd round picks this year but you might be able to recoup a couple second rounders by shopping Brodie and Frolik at the draft.

This would leave us with a playoff lineup something like this

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk -Backlund-Dzingel
Bennett-Jankowski-Neil
Frolik-Ryan-Hathaway
Czarnik-Mangiapane

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Kylington-Andersson
Valimaki-Prout

Smith/BSD

That is way too rich for Dzingel. I think a 2nd is fair value.

[Love]

(not sure where to put this, but....)

I'm not sure Hanifin doesn't have the lowest ceiling of our big four young defenseman

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Love

(not sure where to put this, but....)

I'm not sure Hanifin doesn't have the lowest ceiling of our big four young defenseman

That’s a very confusing way of saying that. My brain hurts.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Love

(not sure where to put this, but....)

I'm not sure Hanifin doesn't have the lowest ceiling of our big four young defenseman

That could very well be, but I also think it is unlikely that all three of the other big four end up better than Hanifin.

It's a very good problem to have.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Love

(not sure where to put this, but....)

I'm not sure Hanifin doesn't have the lowest ceiling of our big four young defenseman

Originally Posted by mdubz

That’s a very confusing way of saying that. My brain hurts.

Plus, I'm pretty sure he's got the highest ceiling. Maybe along with Valimaki.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

No kidding! He's a very good player. But when did the teams start paying $10.5M for 20+ goals/60+ points/season producers? This is more than Ovechnkin/Crosby/Stamkos contracts. At this point, I have zero doubts, Flames are not pursuing him. There is no good way to balance the team optics of paying this kind of money for a 20-goal player against Gaudreau's or Monahan's contracts.

- Barring career-ending type injuries, teams pay players based on the games they played, not the games they couldn't play. Look no further than Giordano's previous contract, the injuries didn't affect it.

-Over the past two seasons, Stone has played 117 games in which he has 48 goals/ and 76 assists. This effectively values Stone as a 34g 53a 87 point player.

- Additionally, Stone leads the league in takeaways by a significant margin, has elite underlying numbers right there with a Crosby, and has recieved Selke votes every year of his career


I'd argue that leaguewide he's considered more valuable than Monahan, and there are teams that might prefer him over Gaudreau, especially given the overwhelming size bias that will never fully go away.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Plus, I'm pretty sure he's got the highest ceiling. Maybe along with Valimaki.

It's difficult to say because I think Hanifin is probably closest to his ceiling of the four.

[GullFoss]

I think the flames could offer up jankowski in a deal for Duchene.

The best part about Duchene is that he doesn't necessarily disrupt the line-up much for the playoffs. If you slot him in the third line and remove janko out, then lines 1,2 and 4 stay the same with the third line being:

Bennett-Duchene-Neal

If Duchene re-signs, then you have Monahan, Duchene, Backlund and Ryan up the middle, which is probably the strongest center depth in the league outside of Toronto. And then you add in the defensive depth on the back end and this is a team that is a Stanley cup favorite for the next half-decade

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It's difficult to say because I think Hanifin is probably closest to his ceiling of the four.

I think he likely has another big leap forward in him. I think he's still pretty raw.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It's difficult to say because I think Hanifin is probably closest to his ceiling of the four.

I disagree, I think Hanifin has a lot more to give. He's 22 years old.