[Trade] Mark Stone (8yrs, $9.5mil AAV) to Vegas for Erik Brannstrom, Lindberg, 2020 2nd

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'm not sure if $11.5M is the real tax equivalent or not. I suspect guys like Burke and other NHL analysts who are referencing this number don't have a firm grasp at all the tax nuances, and different tax breaks that can be utilized. Regardless, I'm guessing it would still be around the 10M range to get the equivalent amount.

Completely agree, and I really think tax stuff is way overblown. I have no idea how health benefits work for players' families, but I would imagine they are paying for a plan 100% out of pocket (obviously a player's physical health is of utmost importance to a team, but I'm not even sure the team would even be the ones paying the bills for issues less related to kinesiology (from mental health to appendicitis to cancer)? That should all be part of the CBA, so I'm sure someone can correct me if wrong?

Obviously residency plays a big role in all of this. Maybe you'd prefer to send your kids to public schools - chances are they are a lot better in jurisdictions with higher tax

Tons of other things like housing costs, traffic, safety, weather, family, friends, endorsements, etc. can really balance out the tax differences. Everyone values things differently, but even the most financially minded people are more concerned with how their balance looks at the end of the month when everything else has been accounted for.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Completely agree, and I really think tax stuff is way overblown. I have no idea how health benefits work for players' families, but I would imagine they are paying for a plan 100% out of pocket (obviously a player's physical health is of utmost importance to a team, but I'm not even sure the team would even be the ones paying the bills for issues less related to kinesiology (from mental health to appendicitis to cancer)? That should all be part of the CBA, so I'm sure someone can correct me if wrong?

Obviously residency plays a big role in all of this. Maybe you'd prefer to send your kids to public schools - chances are they are a lot better in jurisdictions with higher tax

Tons of other things like housing costs, traffic, safety, weather, family, friends, endorsements, etc. can really balance out the tax differences. Everyone values things differently, but even the most financially minded people are more concerned with how their balance looks at the end of the month when everything else has been accounted for.

I don't think taxes are overblown at all. It's a direct hit to their total income and easy for them to understand - their agent can simply tell them the difference in take home pay. We know that's very important because of the escrow fuss.

And while I agree that lifestyle plays a role, housing costs and endorsements don't. If real estate is costlier in one area, they make up for it with the sale later on, if they move away after they are done. So it's a non-factor economically. And sadly, for hockey players, endorsements are de minimus. Look at what Sid gets, and those are national endorsements anyway.

[bax]

As long as we could have signed Stone I still think I would have given up Valimaki for me. I honestly think we would be right there with Tampa as a cup favorite.

[TheScorpion]

In other news, Wayne Simmonds has zero goals and one assist in the eight games since he was traded to Nashville. He has an awful 46% Corsi despite getting 65% offensive zone starts.

He's a guy who's declining hard. Very happy the Flames didn't go there.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In other news, Wayne Simmonds has zero goals and one assist in the eight games since he was traded to Nashville. He has an awful 46% Corsi despite getting 65% offensive zone starts.

He's a guy who's declining hard. Very happy the Flames didn't go there.

Yeah was very much getting propped up by decent line mates, and PP time in Philly.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah he's had some down times over his career but that happens whey you play for a very long time. He's accomplished far more than Carey Price over his NHL career and I said it with Vernon and I will say it again; Any goaltender that wins a Stanley Cup and makes multiple trips to the Stanley Cup finals as a starter with different teams is a really good goaltender. You may get lucky one season on one team that goes on a run but the Stanley Cup is to hard to win and no goaltender lucks himself into multiple SC final appearances with different teams nonetheless.

1986 CGY L
1989 CGY W
1995 DET L
1997 DET W

Hmmmmm. You may have persuaded me to change my opinion of Vernon.

Is he HHOF worthy?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think taxes are overblown at all. It's a direct hit to their total income and easy for them to understand - their agent can simply tell them the difference in take home pay. We know that's very important because of the escrow fuss.

And while I agree that lifestyle plays a role, housing costs and endorsements don't. If real estate is costlier in one area, they make up for it with the sale later on, if they move away after they are done. So it's a non-factor economically. And sadly, for hockey players, endorsements are de minimus. Look at what Sid gets, and those are national endorsements anyway.

I don't doubt that there's a difference in tax rate, I just don't trust a hockey analyst or a hockey blogger to accurately reflect what the actual tax differences are. They just look up personal tax rates on-line and calculate it straight. There's a reason why you get an actual tax accountant to do your taxes when it's that complex. I'm guessing most hockey players aren't using Turbotax to file their returns.

And then you have to also take into consideration the other types of taxes, like user fees and municipal taxes.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In other news, Wayne Simmonds has zero goals and one assist in the eight games since he was traded to Nashville. He has an awful 46% Corsi despite getting 65% offensive zone starts.

He's a guy who's declining hard. Very happy the Flames didn't go there.

And yet some people were really pi$$3d off that we didn't get him.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by bax

As long as we could have signed Stone I still think I would have given up Valimaki for me. I honestly think we would be right there with Tampa as a cup favorite.

me too. although, if the ask was going to be 11+ aav it was never on the cards. I would have moved heaven and earth for anything under 10 aav though. the guy is a beast.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

1986 CGY L
1989 CGY W
1995 DET L
1997 DET W

Hmmmmm. You may have persuaded me to change my opinion of Vernon.

Is he HHOF worthy?

and losses were to Roy and Brodeur I believe

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

me too. although, if the ask was going to be 11+ aav it was never on the cards. I would have moved heaven and earth for anything under 10 aav though. the guy is a beast.

If the Flames end up facing VGK in the playoffs, the 3M line is going to make Mark Stone their bitch. He looked hopelessly lost in the Calgary game on 10 March.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If the Flames end up facing VGK in the playoffs, the 3M line is going to make Mark Stone their bitch. He looked hopelessly lost in the Calgary game on 10 March.

I hope you are right!

[jayswin]

lol

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If the Flames end up facing VGK in the playoffs, the 3M line is going to make Mark Stone their bitch. He looked hopelessly lost in the Calgary game on 10 March.

Although the second sentence is technically correct (the best kind of correct), it does not mean he projects to be lost in the playoffs. Players take time to adjust to new teams. Remember Hamilton’s first 20? Horrifying.

I am still, however, fine with the sentiment of the first sentence. They probably would have to work for it.

[Mr.Coffee]

there's a lot of arrogance in here and indifference to a team that actually looked hugely improved from when we met them earlier in the season.

Fleury alone is reason to be weary of the Knights in the playoffs.

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

there's a lot of arrogance in here and indifference to a team that actually looked hugely improved from when we met them earlier in the season.

Fleury alone is reason to be weary of the Knights in the playoffs.

If Fleury was in net last time we played them they have a decent shot of winning that game

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

there's a lot of arrogance in here and indifference to a team that actually looked hugely improved from when we met them earlier in the season.

Fleury alone is reason to be weary of the Knights in the playoffs.

Is that any worse than the panic and defeatism of posters here rambling on and on that Vegas is unstoppable and is now the best team in the western conference? I’d rather support the poster who actually has some confidence about the team they cheer for.

Yes Stone is a great player and Fleury is better than our goalies but last I checked several things still held. Our defense (especially third line) is better, our first line is better and our fourth line is likely better. They probably have a more narrow gap between their 1/2 lines than us and their third line is better but it’s not like we are awful there. Plus in any matchup we will have home ice advantage.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think taxes are overblown at all. It's a direct hit to their total income and easy for them to understand - their agent can simply tell them the difference in take home pay. We know that's very important because of the escrow fuss.

And while I agree that lifestyle plays a role, housing costs and endorsements don't. If real estate is costlier in one area, they make up for it with the sale later on, if they move away after they are done. So it's a non-factor economically. And sadly, for hockey players, endorsements are de minimus. Look at what Sid gets, and those are national endorsements anyway.

Having been in America for the past few days, you could not pay me enough to live here.

Canada ####ing rocks

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If the Flames end up facing VGK in the playoffs, the 3M line is going to make Mark Stone their bitch. He looked hopelessly lost in the Calgary game on 10 March.

Love the confidence.

[Duffalufagus]

Any objective observer knows a first round series is a coin toss. I bet the betting world has us as dogs if we do finish second.

Edit: not dogs. But a push. With home ice.

Winning the division is massive.