02-22-2021, 09:12 PM
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#221
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Lifetime Suspension
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Outside of the last handful of games they've been very good in their own end. That is a positive that they need to carry forward through the remainder of the season and make a part of their identity.
Just cut out the random 2 on 0s. Please Jesus.
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02-22-2021, 09:14 PM
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#222
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Hard working win. Absolutely stoked for BSD.
Agree that we should keep Bennett up there. Even if all he does is go to the net with those two, he'll pot a few rebounds. It was clear from his interview that's where he wants to be too.
Tkachuk probably heard whatever he was referring to from Marner. As someone else said, Andersen not being injured sounds reasonable but it could have just been something related to the Muzzin incident too.
Bonus Monday night Yanet for the win.
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02-22-2021, 09:14 PM
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#223
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
So sad some cant enjoy what the team did and still have to blast the coaches.
Right after a win.
Against the top team in the entire NHL.
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Goes both ways, same could be said for Sam Bennett. Lets just enjoy the win! Great all round game! Now lets beat them again Wednesday!
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02-22-2021, 09:16 PM
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#224
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
We allowed 34 shots so evidently not very good. but at least coaching didn't actively get in the way of the win as is usually the case.
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The Leafs allowed 33 shots, and I don't see you criticizing them. Gee, I thought advanced stats were supposed to go beyond simple SOG totals.
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
5v5 we were outshot 23-20, outchanced 19-13 at 5v5, out HD chanced 8-3, and out xGF 1.71-0.77
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When leading on the scoreboard all the way through? Gee, I thought score effects were something advanced stats were supposed to take into account.
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If this is the "best" game the team can muster together under ward, that is far from encouraging.
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Against the #1 team in the league so far? Gee, I thought quality of competition was something advanced stats were supposed to take into account.
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Originally Posted by Captain Otto
I'm really starting to wonder if advanced stats mean sfa.
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Advanced stats mean quite a bit. Pulling numbers out one's arse, like the above, has nothing to do with advanced stats and doesn't mean a damned thing.
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02-22-2021, 09:21 PM
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#225
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
You need to re-read the thread and see where the reactions are coming from. Are there apologists or people reacting to “sure they won 3-0 but....”
I swear some people are happier with “I told you so” losses.
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I agree with your sentiment but it was actuallly the apologists who brought it into this thread first by calling out all the missing regular posters tonight.
It happens both ways. Some posters only show up after wins, some only after losses.
There wasn't any need to bring the coaching debate into a happy PGT at all.
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02-22-2021, 09:23 PM
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#226
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
The Leafs allowed 33 shots, and I don't see you criticizing them. Gee, I thought advanced stats were supposed to go beyond simple SOG totals.
When leading on the scoreboard all the way through? Gee, I thought score effects were something advanced stats were supposed to take into account.
Against the #1 team in the league so far? Gee, I thought quality of competition was something advanced stats were supposed to take into account.
Advanced stats mean quite a bit. Pulling numbers out one's arse, like the above, has nothing to do with advanced stats and doesn't mean a damned thing.
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Thanked for your excellent use of "gee"
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02-22-2021, 09:23 PM
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#227
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Was Leivo benched? He took a bad penalty and didn't play much after that. Also Godwin with just over 2 minutes ice time. 3rd pairing also didn't see much time on the ice.
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02-22-2021, 09:24 PM
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#228
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Franchise Player
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The cup is ours.
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02-22-2021, 09:27 PM
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#229
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Looooooooooooooch
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
The cup is ours.
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#### it, sign Ward to 10 yr contract. And extend Treliving!
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02-22-2021, 09:28 PM
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#230
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GOAT!
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Only mention of the win on NHL front page:
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02-22-2021, 09:29 PM
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#231
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Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Oh noes: 23-20? To the [checks notes] top team in the division? What were the chances until the Flames went up 2-0? The Leafs were chasing all night.
And Ward’s systems are what they are - funny how execution matters.
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Execution is a funny thing though in that it’s a fine line and sometimes what can be seen as execution are just a couple bounces.
They got a decent break on the Bennett goal, get a couple on the PP, got some big saves (and Toronto hit 3 posts), and a game that maybe isn’t a win on another night looks great with a 3-0 shutout.
I didn’t get to watch much of the game live (just catching up now) but just reading the game thread and looking at the box score and it looks like some of the same issues were still there.
- Still gave up a fair bit in their own zone getting hemmed in a lot
- Still didn’t generate very much offence at all 5v5
Biggest difference tonight is the special teams were good and the goalie pitched a shutout (which is impressive on 3.5 expected goals against).
But that’s the big thing with this system IMO, the margin for error is so slim even when they execute within the structure (which does look like they did tonight so far).
They invite a lot of pressure in their own zone (while limiting high danger), and they don’t take many risks to generate offence at 5v5, so if your goaltending is just okay or your PP had a bad night, then it can be tough to generate the offence needed to win. And if your goaltending is bad then it can end up on a night like we saw Saturday.
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02-22-2021, 09:29 PM
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#232
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Lifetime In Suspension
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I prefer winning to losing. They should win more often that’s more fun.
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02-22-2021, 09:31 PM
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#233
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
Only mention of the win on NHL front page:
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Why is Nurse's name not capitalized?
Or is Matthews nursing the stars of the week?
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02-22-2021, 09:32 PM
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#234
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Winning is good
Losing is bad
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02-22-2021, 09:32 PM
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#235
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
Why is Nurse's name not capitalized?
Or is Matthews nursing the stars of the week?
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Why is Toronto a star of the week?
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02-22-2021, 09:33 PM
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#236
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Execution is a funny thing though in that it’s a fine line and sometimes what can be seen as execution are just a couple bounces.
They got a decent break on the Bennett goal, get a couple on the PP, got some big saves (and Toronto hit 3 posts), and a game that maybe isn’t a win on another night looks great with a 3-0 shutout.
I didn’t get to watch much of the game live (just catching up now) but just reading the game thread and looking at the box score and it looks like some of the same issues were still there.
- Still gave up a fair bit in their own zone getting hemmed in a lot
- Still didn’t generate very much offence at all 5v5
Biggest difference tonight is the PP was good and the goalie pitched a shutout (which is impressive on 3.5 expected goals against).
But that’s the big thing with this system IMO, the margin for error is so slim even when they execute within the structure (which does look like they did tonight so far).
They invite a lot of pressure in their own zone, and they don’t take many risks to generate offence at 5v5, so if your goaltending is just okay or your PP had a bad night, then it can be tough to win. And if your goaltending is bad then it can end up on a night like we saw Saturday.
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Also, the best PP in the league went 0/7.
Great PK and Rittich was a rock. That was paramount in winning.
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02-22-2021, 09:33 PM
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#237
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First Line Centre
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Nice to see Monahan and Gaudreau deployed for just 1 defensive zone faceoff all game, up 3-0 with 1:05 left.
No surprise that when deployed appropriately, in a position where they have to defend as little as possible, they have decent games. Sheltering them works so keep it up!
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02-22-2021, 09:34 PM
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#238
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Robert is calling in now on Fan960. He was not happy with the team game tonight. (Wut?) Didn't like the TO odd man rushes once we were up 1-0.
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02-22-2021, 09:34 PM
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#239
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ResAlien
I prefer winning to losing. They should win more often that’s more fun.
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Found Geoff Ward's burner account.
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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02-22-2021, 09:35 PM
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#240
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Franchise Player
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Important win for sure after that Oilers game.
I guess we'll just have to keep our collective fingers crossed that they can turn the page and play that way consistently.
Happy for Rittich; Hope he gets some more starts as you don't want to burn out Markstromm if you don't have to
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