07-13-2017, 04:03 PM
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#101
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
Trading for Duchene would mean planning to play him on the wing in the top 6. He's not moving Monahan or Backlund off of the top two lines and he's a waste of a player on the 3rd line. Makes more sense to give up on the Bennett centre experiment and convert him to winger before you go spending assets bringing in an overpriced Duchene.
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Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Duchene - Bennett - Iginla
Versteeg - Lazar - Brouwer
We really need to stop the "top 6" talk. It's "top 9" in the modern NHL.
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07-13-2017, 04:10 PM
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#102
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Duchene - Bennett - Iginla
Versteeg - Lazar - Brouwer
We really need to stop the "top 6" talk. It's "top 9" in the modern NHL.
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Are we getting Duchene for free?
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07-13-2017, 04:16 PM
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#103
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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
Are we getting Duchene for free?
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Do you think we'd subtract any of the listed pieces to acquire Duchene? Because I don't think so.
The ask from Colorado has been rumoured to be young, cost controlled d-man(men). Not wild to think our deepest position prospect-wise could be raided to acquire a player like Duchene. There's also high end prospects in Jankowski and Gillies not listed in my post either.
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07-13-2017, 04:22 PM
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#104
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Do you think we'd subtract any of the listed pieces to acquire Duchene? Because I don't think so.
The ask from Colorado has been rumoured to be young, cost controlled d-man(men). Not wild to think our deepest position prospect-wise could be raided to acquire a player like Duchene. There's also high end prospects in Jankowski and Gillies not listed in my post either.
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Yes COL would have to be getting a significant roster player back for Duchene. That's why it makes no sense. After dealing O'Reilly for two Russian prospects one of which they've already given up on they can't afford to deal one of their two franchise players for defencemen and goalie prospects. That's insane. How would they sell that to fans? Try to think about it from COL's perspective.
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07-13-2017, 04:27 PM
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#105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Do you think we'd subtract any of the listed pieces to acquire Duchene? Because I don't think so.
The ask from Colorado has been rumoured to be young, cost controlled d-man(men). Not wild to think our deepest position prospect-wise could be raided to acquire a player like Duchene. There's also high end prospects in Jankowski and Gillies not listed in my post either.
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I see what you're saying now, fair enough.
So you think Dougie Hamilton goes the other way? I mean we would obviously have to shed some big salary to fit him in.
I'd rather keep Hamilton myself.
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07-13-2017, 04:27 PM
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#106
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Yes COL would have to be getting a significant roster player back for Duchene. That's why it makes no sense. After dealing O'Reilly for two Russian prospects one of which they've already given up on they can't afford to deal one of their two franchise players for defencemen and goalie prospects. That's insane. How would they sell that to fans? Try to think about it from COL's perspective.
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Duchene is no franchise player, and perhaps Colorado viewing him as one is why he hasn't been traded yet.
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07-13-2017, 04:28 PM
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#107
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not a fan of duschene's age... if you were going to trade bennett for someone, i'd be ok if it were part of a package for Mckinnon, but not Duschene
I like duschene, but the only way you could even consider it is if Duschene signs an extension prior to the deal or as part of conditions of the deal.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep Bennett... however, i think its worth keeping one's ear open to possibilities too...
Like Drouin for Bennett would have made me think long and hard... though i'd probably still opt for Bennett as he brings a bit more edge to his game and he still can become a solid 50 point player imo
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07-13-2017, 04:30 PM
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#108
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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
I see what you're saying now, fair enough.
So you think Dougie Hamilton goes the other way? I mean we would obviously have to shed some big salary to fit him in.
I'd rather keep Hamilton myself.
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No, I don't think a roster player of note would be involved. From our perspective, we wouldn't downgrade a position to bring in Duchene. So it's either for futures (prospects), or there's no match to be made with the Avs and Flames.
(I don't see Duchene coming here for this exact reason - the main point in my post was that good players can play on a "3rd line" as the modern NHL is all about rolling 3 lines that contribute, not just two lines).
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07-13-2017, 06:04 PM
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#110
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The Duchene situation is very bizarre but the fact the Flames are mentioned is a little exciting.
Hard to believe Sakic turned down Hamonic and a 1st. It is safe to assume he also turned down 2 1sts and 2 2nds as that is a combination of the Islanders initial offer and what we paid to get Hamonic. People expect the return to be even bigger but there is a legit chance that ship has sailed.
It is known that Treliving is in on everything and the Flames are certainly all-in moving forward. Treliving typically comes out as the initial winner on most trades which is a positive. The Avs need D and the Flames have a great pipeline and solid current blueline. I could move as many as 2 of our top 4 D prospects to land him.
Lastly there has been a weird love for mediocre ex-flames from the Avs organization for sometime. Iginla, Tanguay, Bourque, Comeau, Colborne are all recent off the top of my head. This is a long shot but maybe the Avs value a flames prospect or player higher than most other teams would?
The hardest thing for me is finding a deal that works. Unless the Flames can dump Stajan off on another team I don't see a lot of bigger dollar contracts they would move for Duchene. As discussed Brouwer has a NTC and the Avs would be on it and likely he would be impossible to move as a cap dump (considering the Flames can't spare picks in a deal) bit leads to believe Frolik could be a contract the Flames send the other way.
How does Frolik+Kylington work?
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07-13-2017, 06:10 PM
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#111
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I don't think Frolik + Kylington is even close if Hamonic/1st didn't get it done.
Honestly I think the thought of bringing Duchene into the fold is insane when you look at the forward depth and the fact that we will be playing Brouwer on the 4th line; especially if the cost is Bennett or Janko which it most surely will considering we have no high end picks to deal in. Hard pass on Duchene.
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07-13-2017, 06:25 PM
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#112
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Stop with the Bennett proposals. Guy is going to be solid.
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07-13-2017, 06:43 PM
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#113
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Friedman is full of whatever. He knew Calgary fans will follow the stories if he mentioned Calgary as one of the interested parties. Even if the rumour is true, Treliving should not dangle or involve Adam Fox, Oliver Kylington, Rasmus Andersson or Valimaki. Any other prospect defensemen I am okay with it. Oh yeah no Bennett and Tkachuk either.
To tell you the truth I would rather have Nathan McKinnon than Duchesne but it will never happen. I don't the Flames will even be in a running at all.
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07-13-2017, 06:49 PM
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#114
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Stop with the Bennett proposals. Guy is going to be solid.
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It's not like people are advocating to move him for an aging vet. Duchene is a young but proven producer who would open the window faster and wider
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07-13-2017, 06:51 PM
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#115
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Originally Posted by OzSome
Friedman is full of whatever. He knew Calgary fans will follow the stories if he mentioned Calgary as one of the interested parties. Even if the rumour is true, Treliving should not dangle or involve Adam Fox, Oliver Kylington, Rasmus Andersson or Valimaki. Any other prospect defensemen I am okay with it. Oh yeah no Bennett and Tkachuk either.
To tell you the truth I would rather have Nathan McKinnon than Duchesne but it will never happen. I don't the Flames will even be in a running at all.
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On what basis is he full of whatever?
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07-13-2017, 07:23 PM
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#116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild GM
It's not like people are advocating to move him for an aging vet. Duchene is a young but proven producer who would open the window faster and wider
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That's true. There's no one on the Flames right now who has the speed game that Duchene does, and you wonder whether that style might be a good fit for Gaudreau, thereby having a cascading effect down the lineup - especially if you could drop Brouwer's cap hit while you're at it. It's insta-depth.
The question is whether you'd have him for two years and that's it. Bennett's under team control for considerably longer.
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07-13-2017, 08:20 PM
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#117
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What's the "duschene" count at in this thread?
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07-13-2017, 08:34 PM
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#118
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdubz
What's the "duschene" count at in this thread?
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To be fair, iPhone autocorrect automatically makes it Duchesne. Doesn't make it more right or less wrong, but just slightly less annoying.
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07-13-2017, 08:34 PM
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#119
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
I don't think Frolik + Kylington is even close if Hamonic/1st didn't get it done.
Honestly I think the thought of bringing Duchene into the fold is insane when you look at the forward depth and the fact that we will be playing Brouwer on the 4th line; especially if the cost is Bennett or Janko which it most surely will considering we have no high end picks to deal in. Hard pass on Duchene.
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The thought I have is Sakic is straight up over plying his hand and he will end up getting far less than Hamonic and a 1st. Keep in mind Frolik outscored Duchene last year.
The Flames need to shed salary to add the $6M in contracts. Frolik is one of the only movable assets that has a substantial cap hit and actual value.
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07-13-2017, 08:57 PM
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#120
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Homerism in this thread is off the charts...not dealing Valimaki or Bennett or Brodie...Brodie is the only one I can see them being hesitant about the other two? you take it and run.
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