beautiful in this case being a relative term - massive improvement from the recent versions of the Z
I kid, I kid.
The current design was definitely getting long in the tooth. Overall, I find the new design to be an incoherent mess when considered as a whole, but individually, a lot of the elements are a big improvement.
Like most cars though, seeing it the flesh will be the true test.
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The alternator on my 06 Escape went last week. I figured maybe an hours labour to get the old one out and the new one in. Wrong! It was wedged between the engine and the power transfer unit. You can't even see it when you pop the hood.
I really wish the Engineers that design the vehicles of today would spend a week in a garage fixing vehicles they design!
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Sure, but it will take forever to lose all that speed lest you send yourself into a hedge because the little porker can't take a corner that fast.
No amount of power and acceleration makes an elephant into a ballet dancer.
Have you ever taken a look at the curb weight of a Nissan GTR or NSX? They are elephants as well and do just fine. Tires, brakes, suspension tuning, torque vectoring, etc is so advanced now that weight is easily overcome. There are 4500 lb+ SUV's that are pulling close to 1.0g on the skidpad.
The X3MC has a ring time under 8 mins, faster than the E92 M3, and OG M2. If they can make an SUV rip that fast, they can hide the weight of the M3/4.
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Have you ever taken a look at the curb weight of a Nissan GTR or NSX? They are elephants as well and do just fine. Tires, brakes, suspension tuning, torque vectoring, etc is so advanced now that weight is easily overcome. There are 4500 lb+ SUV's that are pulling close to 1.0g on the skidpad.
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That's not actually a good thing. BMW bowing before numbers on a page rather than making a car that actually feels good to drive is... not a very BMW thing to do.
... feel. You will feel that weight no matter how much tech they pump into the cars to make them rip around the Nürburgring.
I don't understand what you are getting at here. In one post you are saying the porker can't take corners fast and then you are saying no matter how fast it rips around the Nurburgring it's about feel? Make up your mind and quit changing the goal posts. All cars are heavy now as even STI's are 3500 lbs. Go buy a Cayman and be done with it if the curb weight of your car is that important to you.
Just because this thread is often filled with talk of exotic European cars...I’m developing a ‘thing’ for 60s Mopars. As a GM fan, I’m internally conflicted.
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The GTR is sui generis, it doesn't feel like anything else, and it's polarizing. I applaud Nissan for making it and for continuing to make it for all these years because it's unique, but it's not appropriate to compare it to anything. The NSX... just isn't a particularly good car, by all accounts.
The M3 is supposed to feel like an M3. It has its own cult following. If you add hundreds of pounds to it, it's not going to feel like an M3 anymore, and then it's just another sedan that goes fast.
... Or maybe there's some magic in the design that causes it to feel the same despite higher weight. But that's the worry.
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If I'm driving an automatic, I want two modes- normal and "sport". I don't need or want eco/sport+/offroad/sand/snow/dynamic/crusing/etc.
It kind of depends. If it's a sports car - for example, if I'm buying the new Corvette - of course I need a sport mode, but I also want it to have an eco mode for highway cruising where I'm not actively driving the car but just trying to get to somewhere a long way away (I actually found the drive modes on the c7 I rented for a week one time to be among its best quality of life features). If it's an SUV, I want a snow mode just for the extra traction to get out of a snow bank without digging out my tires, but I don't need a sport mode.
So I agree with you that it's a bit overboard in some vehicles but I still think it's context dependent.
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It kind of depends. If it's a sports car - for example, if I'm buying the new Corvette - of course I need a sport mode, but I also want it to have an eco mode for highway cruising where I'm not actively driving the car but just trying to get to somewhere a long way away (I actually found the drive modes on the c7 I rented for a week one time to be among its best quality of life features). If it's an SUV, I want a snow mode just for the extra traction to get out of a snow bank without digging out my tires, but I don't need a sport mode.
So I agree with you that it's a bit overboard in some vehicles but I still think it's context dependent.
It’s unnecessary on a Tucson.
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I don't like drive modes either. It's sport, every time. Like, why would I neuter the car? Give me all it's got all the time. If you're on the highway, it's going to settle into the highest gear anyway once you're in cruise. I've never once used eco and I hate how in both my vehicles with drive mode selectors they both default to normal every time you start them. Just leave it in the last mode I used.
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