50 dead in mosque shootings in Christchurch, NZ

[flylock shox]

Abdul Aziz is a GD superhero.

“I realized this is something else. This is a killer,” he said.


He yelled at the congregation of more than 80 to get down. They hesitated. A shot rang out, a window shattered and a body fell, and people began to realize it was for real.


“Then this brother came over. He went after him, and he managed to overpower him, and that’s how we were saved,” Alabi said, referring to Aziz. “Otherwise, if he managed to come into the mosque, then we would all probably be gone.”


Aziz said as he ran outside screaming, he was hoping to distract the attacker. He said the gunman ran back to his car to get another gun, and Aziz hurled the credit card machine at him.


He said he could hear his two youngest sons, aged 11 and 5, urging him to come back inside.


The gunman returned, firing. Aziz said he ran, weaving through cars parked in the driveway, which prevented the gunman from getting a clean shot. Then Aziz spotted a gun the gunman had abandoned and picked it up, pointed it and squeezed the trigger. It was empty.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

But why is that? Whites are what 60 percent (USA) of the population so that accounts for some of it.

I wish I had the answer. I don’t accept that white males are predisposed to be monsters over other demographics. There is a reason, and a solution.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Nice identitarian spin on things. Fact: Most mass shootings in the places you speak of are not politically motivated. Fact: There is a small percent of people who are capable of caring out these types of crimes that come in all shapes and sizes. So go ahead! Throw all those pesky cons in the slammer and pat your self on the back cause you've eliminated mass shootings!

And nice strawmanning on your account. Are you saying that mosque shootings are not politically or racially motivated? Because that's what I was talking about.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You do understand the philosophy of a liberal and fascist are utterly opposite of each other? you could use this analogy for a socialist and a fascist, or even a conservative and a fascist but the one political philosophy other than anarchist you cannot compare a fascist to is a liberal.

Not really the thread to get into this but I'll leave this here for you to learn something from.




On the political spectrum, liberal ideologies are closer to fascism than conservative ones.

[midniteowl]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1106999884677173248


Poor kid got his twitter account suspended

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Not really the thread to get into this but I'll leave this here for you to learn something from.




On the political spectrum, liberal ideologies are closer to fascism than conservative ones.

This one shows the opposite:

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

This one shows the opposite:

Okey dokey well let's look at things on a baseline. At simple question that is asked is if you are for or against more government control?

Are liberal ideologies for or against government control? Well, gun control, state funded healthcare, needles for drug addicts. Liberals generally want government intervention.

Are fascist ideologies for or against government control? Well we all know the answer to that.

Are conservative ideologies for or against government control? Well once again, invisible hand, trickle down, all those things.

Liberals are closer to fascists than conservatives.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Okey dokey well let's look at things on a baseline. At simple question that is asked is if you are for or against more government control?

Are liberal ideologies for or against government control? Well, gun control, state funded healthcare, needles for drug addicts. Liberals generally want government intervention.

Are fascist ideologies for or against government control? Well we all know the answer to that.

Are conservative ideologies for or against government control? Well once again, invisible hand, trickle down, all those things.

Liberals are closer to fascists than conservatives.

That would be the vertical axis of the spectrum I posted. Left and right are the horizontal axis.

[FireGilbert]

There are police outside the Coptic church on my street this morning. I assume they are worried of a retaliation or that this nazi idiots will mistake the place for a mosque? In any case the Aussie cops are not messing around today. What a messed up world smh.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Okey dokey well let's look at things on a baseline. At simple question that is asked is if you are for or against more government control?

Are liberal ideologies for or against government control? Well, gun control, state funded healthcare, needles for drug addicts. Liberals generally want government intervention.

Are fascist ideologies for or against government control? Well we all know the answer to that.

Are conservative ideologies for or against government control? Well once again, invisible hand, trickle down, all those things.

Liberals are closer to fascists than conservatives.

This literally defies understanding of fascism. I would suggest doing research instead of getting your political spectrum from reddit, and this sort of misinformation can be very dangerous, especially when it results in us forgetting the serious lessons history has taught us.

From Wikipedia, for your ease:

Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11] Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[48][49] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be".[50]

If you’re looking for a boogeyman on the left, that would be communism.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This literally defies understanding of fascism. I would suggest doing research instead of getting your political spectrum from reddit, and this sort of misinformation can be very dangerous, especially when it results in us forgetting the serious lessons history has taught us.

From Wikipedia, for your ease:


If you’re looking for a boogeyman on the left, that would be communism.

Unfortunately you are 100% incorrect, the formula is simple and your understanding is wrong. Maybe your classical liberalism but not the bastardization it has become today. Liberalism has become at its heart intolerant, arrogant and entitled.

http://www.seanedwards.com/liberalism-fascism/

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Thor

Is this legit?

These are the rags in the UK that make it seem like every single thing Raheem Sterling does is a threat to the "British" (i.e. white) way of life. The Mirror and Sun and Daily Mail are cancer.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Unfortunately you are 100% incorrect, the formula is simple and your understanding is wrong. Maybe your classical liberalism but not the bastardization it has become today. Liberalism has become at its heart intolerant, arrogant and entitled.

http://www.seanedwards.com/liberalism-fascism/

I’m going to go with the majority of scholars, as they say otherwise, but believe whatever you want to believe I guess if Sean Edwards says so (though, enlighten me, who is that guy?).

You could say the very same about right/conservatives, with rampant examples of intolerant beliefs, arrogance, and entitlement. These are not values beholden to one “side,” and framing them as such is a mistake.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Not really the thread to get into this but I'll leave this here for you to learn something from.




On the political spectrum, liberal ideologies are closer to fascism than conservative ones.

The government control issue seems to be the catch point. But both conservatives and liberals believe in government control. Liberals tend to want the control and power shared among a greater number of people and public institutions (big and expensive government). Conservatives tend to prefer that the control is centralized more (like in fascism) and not shared (small and inexpensive). The inexpensive part tends to lead to less bureaucratic control and regulations from the government, but the control is then assumed by private entities and corporations. Don't forget, fascism was once called "corporatism". The idea of passing on responsibility to private interest groups, like in fascism, is a lot more similar to conservatism than liberalism. Fascism isn't big government that liberals support. It's small government like that conservatives support, but uses force and propaganda to maintain power.

Honestly, your figure lost it for me seeing liberals being monarchists. Traditionally, liberals and liberal movements are what led to republics and democracy. The whole underlying conservative ideology is to conserve traditions, power balances, social systems, social norms and institutions.

Think about why the Nazis were so obsessed with destroying communism. It was against everything they were for.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m going to go with the majority of scholars, as they say otherwise, but believe whatever you want to believe I guess if Sean Edwards says so (though, enlighten me, who is that guy?).

You could say the very same about right/conservatives, with rampant examples of intolerant beliefs, arrogance, and entitlement. These are not values beholden to one “side,” and framing them as such is a mistake.

A little reading comprehension might benefit you a bit, but at no point did I say those values were exclusive to liberals. Gun toting Americans who don't want gun control and would rather see another sandy hook fall under that as well.

Does it really matter about who he is as much as what he says? Pretty petty to attempt to discredit someone because they don't meet the pompous requirements of yours, whatever they may be. That view is toxic and arrogant. You make a good liberal.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Okey dokey well let's look at things on a baseline. At simple question that is asked is if you are for or against more government control?



Are liberal ideologies for or against government control? Well, gun control, state funded healthcare, needles for drug addicts. Liberals generally want government intervention.



Are fascist ideologies for or against government control? Well we all know the answer to that.



Are conservative ideologies for or against government control? Well once again, invisible hand, trickle down, all those things.



Liberals are closer to fascists than conservatives.

So by this logic a platypus and a duck are basically the same animal because they both have bills, webbed feet, and enjoy water.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So by this logic a platypus and a duck are basically the same animal because they both have bills, webbed feet, and enjoy water.

Just put him on ignore, I just did and it's great. Also you can argue a platypus is just like a shark because they both have the ability to detect electrical fields to hunt.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by PappettyerBagger'14

A little reading comprehension might benefit you a bit, but at no point did I say those values were exclusive to liberals. Gun toting Americans who don't want gun control and would rather see another sandy hook fall under that as well.

Does it really matter about who he is as much as what he says? Pretty petty to attempt to discredit someone because they don't meet the pompous requirements of yours, whatever they may be. That view is toxic and arrogant. You make a good liberal.

Not directed at the poster in particular, there are plenty of posts like this on both sides (although why the #### is there more than one side regarding this mass shooting)

A post like this won't change anybody's opinion. What's the point of "debating" like this?

If this kind of post is the best you can do, why bother? Take a deep breath, play with your dog, do the dishes, do some pushups. Anything would be more productive than this post. You're just making the pompous, toxic, arrogant liberals more entrenched in their positions.

[opendoor]

Real Dunning-Kruger effect going on here. The person who seems to have the least understanding of the political spectrum appears to be the most sure that they're correct.


Leftist monarchists.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The government control issue seems to be the catch point. But both conservatives and liberals believe in government control. Liberals tend to want the control and power shared among a greater number of people and public institutions (big and expensive government). Conservatives tend to prefer that the control is centralized more (like in fascism) and not shared (small and inexpensive). The inexpensive part tends to lead to less bureaucratic control and regulations from the government, but the control is then assumed by private entities and corporations. Don't forget, fascism was once called "corporatism". The idea of passing on responsibility to private interest groups, like in fascism, is a lot more similar to conservatism than liberalism. Fascism isn't big government that liberals support. It's small government like that conservatives support, but uses force and propaganda to maintain power.

Honestly, your figure lost it for me seeing liberals being monarchists. Traditionally, liberals and liberal movements are what led to republics and democracy. The whole underlying conservative ideology is to conserve traditions, power balances, social systems, social norms and institutions.

Think about why the Nazis were so obsessed with destroying communism. It was against everything they were for.

Yeah, 2 axis diagrams are usually better models for this reason. Communism and Fascism converge towards authoritarianism and government focus and control on community, while being on opposite ends of the political spectrum in most other ways. Similar to libertarianism and anarchism.