2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You mean getting a decent contract and giving himself some financial security?

Bouma didn’t price himself out of the league. His marginal skills did that.

Hathaway isn’t likely to have a long career in the NHL.

He needs to make as much as he can as soon as he can.


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Bouma was a bait and switch. Once he had the contract, he did not do the things that got him the contract.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Bouma was a bait and switch. Once he had the contract, he did not do the things that got him the contract.

Bouma got the contract because he had an unsustainable offensive push. He was right to get such a contract. Players need to cash in when they can.

You suggested that his contract was the reason he no longer was in the league.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Yeah, but Johnny just came off a 99 pt season, only costs about 6.5M, and costs nothing to aquire because he's already on the team. And a decline from 99pts is still better than a decline from 44pts.

My point was that 27 is not old.


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[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

When the next hockey season starts, Johhny will be 26 and Zucker will be 27.

And yet Zucker is almost 2 years older. It's funny how calendars work.

But yes, I agree with both of you. Age isn't a concern for either of them.
If fact, I think it fits the Flames' window perfectly.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bouma got the contract because he had an unsustainable offensive push. He was right to get such a contract. Players need to cash in when they can.

You suggested that his contract was the reason he no longer was in the league.


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[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I still think Connolly is what we need. He plays like a poor man's Rick Nash he's big and fast. At best he's an upgrade on Frolik and saves us cap as I think he could be had for 3-4 mill. At worst he can bump Jankowski or Neal off the roster. Minor signing but makes us faster and tougher to play against.

I don’t see the Flames going after a Connolly type player. The Flames have just been burned twice by the Neal and Brouwer contracts and Connolly could easily end up as another anchor contract.

How does the saying go, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me? Well, Treliving has been fooled at least 3 times now with these supporting cast players like Raymond, Brouwer, Neal and etc.

The Flames have to focus on acquiring players who can actually drive their own line, create time and space and who make their linemates better. No more of these costly middle guys who can’t drive their own line and who just end up being buyout fodder.

[Buff]

We really need to get rid of Monahan because the fan base doesn't appreciate him. Ah heck, who am I kidding, I don't think this fan base would have appreciated the likes Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe or Orr...

We expect too much out of our players and when they don't realize those lofty and unrealistic expectations we want to throw them out with the trash or recycle them for equally flawed players (or even more so flawed).

[Husky]

I think part of the consistent offensive push could be solved by tkachuk being on a #2 line that isnt used to shutdown other teams top lines. Really want to see Lindholm either at center or the Flames make a move and get someone. Too bad Jankowski couldnt take the next step.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Buff

We really need to get rid of Monahan because the fan base doesn't appreciate him. Ah heck, who am I kidding, I don't think this fan base would have appreciated the likes Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe or Orr...

We expect too much out of our players and when they don't realize those lofty and unrealistic expectations we want to throw them out with the trash or recycle them for equally flawed players (or even more so flawed).

So Monahan is about 5 tiers below these guys.

Flames have not had any players of the caliber you mention, but their greatest players certainly have been appreciated IMO.

[jessnuts]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

How does the saying go, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?

I believe it’s, “fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can’t fooled again.”

[Ring of Fire]

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Buff

We really need to get rid of Monahan because the fan base doesn't appreciate him. Ah heck, who am I kidding, I don't think this fan base would have appreciated the likes Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe or Orr...

We expect too much out of our players and when they don't realize those lofty and unrealistic expectations we want to throw them out with the trash or recycle them for equally flawed players (or even more so flawed).

I can appreciate where you're coming from, but you're laying it on a little thick.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Buff

We really need to get rid of Monahan because the fan base doesn't appreciate him. Ah heck, who am I kidding, I don't think this fan base would have appreciated the likes Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe or Orr...

We expect too much out of our players and when they don't realize those lofty and unrealistic expectations we want to throw them out with the trash or recycle them for equally flawed players (or even more so flawed).

aka, winning a few playoff rounds every decade.
What unrealistic fans we are

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

aka, winning a few playoff rounds every decade.
What unrealistic fans we are

especially a team that won the Western conference and was 2nd overall in the league.

i think the introspection would have been much different if the Flames lost in seven... its the way calgary lost and the way that Calgary's top players performed that is raising questions. Not "lofty and unrealistic" expectations

[Psytic]

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[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I don’t see the Flames going after a Connolly type player. The Flames have just been burned twice by the Neal and Brouwer contracts and Connolly could easily end up as another anchor contract.

How does the saying go, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me? Well, Treliving has been fooled at least 3 times now with these supporting cast players like Raymond, Brouwer, Neal and etc.

The Flames have to focus on acquiring players who can actually drive their own line, create time and space and who make their linemates better. No more of these costly middle guys who can’t drive their own line and who just end up being buyout fodder.

I'm a bit confused by your statement. Hes 26 years old? Your talking like hes a 34 year old burn out. Hes not going to cost a lot like a Zucker although he scored more then him or a Kadri (who are both older I might add) because hes a younger less seasoned player than either or the aforementioned Neal or Brouwer. This is to upgrade on Frolik for near the same cost or less. If we are moving Frolik anyway and want to get better, this is how you do it. You get younger, bigger and faster and give up 0 picks to do it... I would be surprised if he commanded more cost than Lindholm tbh. You're saying we should never sign a player that is over 6ft has a great shot and is fast because we signed two burnouts who are slow and over the hill? I'm lost. Hes 25 in the league in GAR/60 meaning he is playing well above replacement level (Mark Stone is 1st).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I'm a bit confused by your statement. Hes 26 years old? Your talking like hes a 34 year old burn out. Hes not going to cost a lot like a Zucker or a Kadri (who are both older I might add) because hes a younger less proven player than the aforementioned Neal or Brouwer. This is to upgrade on Frolik for near the same cost or less. I would be surprised if he commanded more cost than Lindholm tbh.

Calling Connolly an upgrade on Frolik is a tall order.

His career year this season gives him exactly one season with greater than .5 points per game in 9 seasons

Frolik has done it 8 out of 12 years, with the exceptions being his 3 seasons in Chicago and the disastrous second year under Gulutzan

In Chicago, he was deployed often as a role player, got a lot of fourth line time with guys like Carcillo and Bollig, and was a PK specialist with Kruger, a key reason Chicago had a PK that was top 3 in the league.

Connolly is five years younger and their 2028-19 seasons could be considered somewhat comparable. He definitely took a step forward. Was it an anomaly or is it the new norm? An argument for him is that he is at the age entering his prime.

But let’s give Michael Frolik some credit.

I know he is 31 now, and at some point should drop off. But really, when I look at the jobs he has been given over his career, and what he has done, he is a damn good player. Solid and reliable.

[Psytic]

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[Psytic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Calling Connolly an upgrade on Frolik is a tall order.

His career year this season gives him exactly one season with greater than .5 points per game in 9 seasons

Frolik has done it 8 out of 12 years, with the exceptions being his 3 seasons in Chicago and the disastrous second year under Gulutzan

In Chicago, he was deployed often as a role player, got a lot of fourth line time with guys like Carcillo and Bollig, and was a PK specialist with Kruger, a key reason Chicago had a PK that was top 3 in the league.

Connolly is five years younger and their 2028-19 seasons could be considered somewhat comparable. He definitely took a step forward. Was it an anomaly or is it the new norm? An argument for him is that he is at the age entering his prime.

But let’s give Michael Frolik some credit.

I know he is 31 now, and at some point should drop off. But really, when I look at the jobs he has been given over his career, and what he has done, he is a damn good player. Solid and reliable.

I agree I like Frolik but regardless Connolly is a low risk signing, as he will command a lot less than other options and requires no picks to aquire. Whether he plays 1,2 or 3 line RW he would be a value signing for what he is likely to command. At best he bumps Frolik down for less money. At worst hes a heck of a lot better than Neal for the third line and faster.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Buff

We really need to get rid of Monahan because the fan base doesn't appreciate him. Ah heck, who am I kidding, I don't think this fan base would have appreciated the likes Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe or Orr...

We expect too much out of our players and when they don't realize those lofty and unrealistic expectations we want to throw them out with the trash or recycle them for equally flawed players (or even more so flawed).

This organization has been mired in mediocrity for three decades and you are dogging fans for expecting too much? There are a lot of fans in this league that don't consider making the 2nd round of the playoffs an achievement but the bar is so low in Calgary that it's actually a major feat only accomplished twice in 30 years. So I'm going to call you out and anyone else defending players that continually can't get it done when it matters and wilt under expectations because some of us are hoping for a lot more than losing in the first round.