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Old 11-25-2020, 10:35 PM   #6981
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Can a judge quash a pardon after a president leaves office?
no but you cannot plead the 5th anymore on the crimes in question so Flynn can be hauled into court and if he doesnt spill he can then be charged with perjury
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:45 AM   #6982
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And Barrett has sided with religious organizations in a dispute against COVID-19 restrictions in New York.

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n the late-night ruling, Barrett sided with the conservatives in the dispute, while Chief Justice John Roberts joined the three liberal justices in dissent. The ruling underscores Barrett's impact on the bench, reflecting the Court's rightward shift.

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You can blame that on Ronald Reagan. During the 80s Reagan and the conservatives attacked socialism in a similar way the Republicans did during the red scare and eliminated communism from the political spectrum. These two terms now have such a negative connotation that they force Americans to react to them in a visceral manner. Americans are programmed this way, even though, when asked, they cannot define either term or explain the ideology in any rational way. It is bizarre, but it is America. And yes, in many parts of the country just being labelled as such is a death sentence to an aspiring political career or shift support away from even a proven quantity who has bona fides to the counter.

To add, Newt Gingrich tried to do the same with the term liberal, but met varying levels of success.
Unfortunately, when you have recent examples of disastrous socialist regimes in Venezuela, you have your next big bad boogeyman of socialism to point to. Nevermind the countless positive examples that exist, "...but Venezeula!"
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Another day, another loss in court for the Trump campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bc2_story.html

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Republicans faced another procedural setback in a Pennsylvania lawsuit seeking to invalidate more than 2.5 million votes, as a temporary order blocking further certification of election results was stayed on appeal from state officials who had already formalized President-elect Joe Biden’s win the day before.

Legal experts said the case had little chance of success, much like the other last-ditch GOP election lawsuits pending in battleground states. Republicans have gained no substantive traction across more than two dozen cases trying to undo results favoring Biden since Election Day, and as of Tuesday, four of six states where President Trump tried to overturn the outcome have certified Biden’s win.

In the Pennsylvania case, Republican plaintiffs are retroactively challenging the state’s mail-voting system, calling into question virtually every contest that took place there on Nov. 3 and asking for judges to take the unprecedented step of voiding election results across the state.
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Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School who tracks voting rights litigation, called the case “internally incoherent” and “an attempt to magically disappear an entire election.”

“It basically says Pennsylvania had something other than an election, which is another explanation for why it’s not going anywhere,” he said.
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RNC lawyers were distancing themselves from Giuliani’s efforts, the officials said. Much of the White House was empty on Wednesday morning. The campaign has stopped holding morning calls to talk about how to craft messaging around Giuliani’s fights, several advisers said.

Many of the president’s advisers do not see the effort by Ellis and Giuliani going anywhere, and they believe Trump is only hurting his reputation and legacy by participating in it.
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:30 AM   #6986
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lol. "Trump is only hurting his reputation and legacy by participating in it".
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:54 AM   #6987
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From Sidney Powell's Kracken lawsuit!



https://twitter.com/user/status/1331976892992385024


and another..


https://twitter.com/user/status/1331985276047077378

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Old 11-26-2020, 09:06 AM   #6988
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Even for him, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

You're not overturning 7MM votes. Come on man.
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Old 11-26-2020, 09:10 AM   #6989
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and lastly from Marc Elias, who succinctly points out that there is no chance in hell Trump overturns anything..


https://twitter.com/user/status/1331774392217571329
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Old 11-26-2020, 09:48 AM   #6990
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At this point I don't think even they believe they'll change anything. This is about the last chance to grift for some of these people, and they are still collecting donations from the cult for these legal challenges.
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Yup, that's all it is. As long as they have these "legal challenges" running, they can still suck in cash from their cult. That's the only plan here, and it'll continue probably even after Jan 20th.

When he starts doing rallies again in preparation for 2024.
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With the Georgia SOS name I only can think of this:


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lol. "Trump is only hurting his reputation and legacy by participating in it".
"Legacy" - what a joke!
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Apologies if posted already... I just can't stop watching it.
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Reading a number of articles lately about Trump and how he hates to be perceived as a loser (including this one in the NYT today) I've been wondering... then why didn't he try to win?

When he won the Presidency, everyone was expecting him to pivot to a more presidential person, but he didn't. At no point in his term did he try to win over people who voted against him. At no point in the recent campaign did he try to appeal to those voters. During the debates and the campaign, he never put forward any policies that might appeal to them. Instead he kept up his divisive tactics.

The obvious answer is that he's a blithering idiot (despite what the one person on here claims) who surrounded himself with blithering idiots, but it seems like such a basic tactic of elections. If you want to win the election, you have to gain more votes than your opponent and so you should offer something to everyone. That thought seems to never have occurred to him. He barely eked out a win last time and must've known that he would need more votes this time. It's kind of mindblowing how much he botched his four years. The pandemic was a perfect opportunity to rally citizens together with a patriotic "we can beat this together" attitude but he had zero intuition on how to do that.

I hate him, but I find him to be a fascinating creature. This part in the aforementioned article is hysterical.

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“We had machines that — they were virtually on fire,” Mr. Trump said. “Nobody’s ever seen anything like this.”
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Question: did the "Karen" thing originate with the I Don't Work Here Lady reddit, or did they co-opt it?
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Has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at the contents of Powell's "Kraken" lawsuit?

Embarrassing is probably a kind description.

For the lawyers in here, what sort of repercussions could she be looking at in filing something like this?
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Reading a number of articles lately about Trump and how he hates to be perceived as a loser (including this one in the NYT today) I've been wondering... then why didn't he try to win?

When he won the Presidency, everyone was expecting him to pivot to a more presidential person, but he didn't. At no point in his term did he try to win over people who voted against him. At no point in the recent campaign did he try to appeal to those voters. During the debates and the campaign, he never put forward any policies that might appeal to them. Instead he kept up his divisive tactics.

The obvious answer is that he's a blithering idiot (despite what the one person on here claims) who surrounded himself with blithering idiots, but it seems like such a basic tactic of elections. If you want to win the election, you have to gain more votes than your opponent and so you should offer something to everyone. That thought seems to never have occurred to him. He barely eked out a win last time and must've known that he would need more votes this time. It's kind of mindblowing how much he botched his four years. The pandemic was a perfect opportunity to rally citizens together with a patriotic "we can beat this together" attitude but he had zero intuition on how to do that.

I hate him, but I find him to be a fascinating creature. This part in the aforementioned article is hysterical.
Obama talked about this recently with Colbert in an interview (at around 06:30 of the clip), and how under Trump's leadership, even though responding in a different way would have made sense for Trump to get re-elected, it didn't happen as a result of how deeply embedded ideologically the administration has become, even when its not advantageous to them.

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The WH fired another bunch of people today and replaced them with more Trump cronies.

So when Biden takes over, can he fire all these Trump clowns and then re-hire the people who were let go, or just hire his own people? I assume the answer is yes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/polit...ard/index.html

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Several high profile members of the Defense Policy Board were removed on Wednesday by the Trump administration, in yet another purge of longstanding foreign policy experts and national security establishment figures in the final days of the Trump era, according to three defense officials.

Members who were suddenly removed include former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger, former ranking member of the House Intelligence committee Jane Harman and former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, two of the officials said.

The Defense Policy Board is an outside advisory group of former high profile national security officials who "provide the Secretary of Defense and the Deputy Secretary of Defense, independent, informed advice and opinions concerning matters of defense policy in response to specific tasks from the Secretary of Defense, the Deputy Secretary of Defense," according to their website.
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The new appointments include retired Army Brig. Gen. Anthony Tata, now a top Pentagon official, who once called former President Barack Obama a terrorist leader and suggested that a former CIA director was using a Cicero quote to activate a sleeper agent to kill Trump. Kash Patel, former aide to Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California, is chief of staff to Miller and leading Pentagon transition efforts with the incoming Biden-Harris administration.

Ezra Cohen-Watnick was also named to a new post and will be the acting under secretary of defense for intelligence. Cohen-Watnick gained notoriety in March 2017 for his alleged involvement in providing intelligence materials to then-House Intelligence Chairman Nunes, who went on to claim that US intelligence officials improperly surveilled Trump associates.

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Maybe, just maybe, the US should re-examine what a president can and cannot do unilaterally during a lame duck period. Just a thought.
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