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Old 08-25-2021, 07:51 PM   #1
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Post Ongoing NHL Teams Covid-19 protocols thread.

To discuss news around teams' requirements & restrictions around attendance.


If you want to talk about anything else pandemic related, there's a Covid subforum. Keep this one on-topic.
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:16 PM   #2
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Its kind of the same topic though, people can't explain why they may not be in favor of vaccine passports without talking about covid and their reasoning for not or for wanting the passports.

Either way there's no need to fly off the handle because there's someone opposed or in disagreement etc.
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:19 PM   #3
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Edmonton and TO to allow vaccinated or negative test. Others only fully vaccinated. Not sure about Ottawa or Montreal.

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Oilers Entertainment Group says proof of full COVID-19 vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test will be required for fans 12 and over at Edmonton Oilers games this season.
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The Toronto Maple Leafs will also require proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test for entry this season.

The Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks and Winnipeg Jets, meanwhile, will only admit fully vaccinated fans.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...rting-sept-28/


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The Edmonton Elks and Saskatchewan Roughriders are moving towards creating a policy that would allow only fully-vaccinated fans to attend games for the rest of the season, according to TSN’s Farhan Lalji.

Hearing that the #Elks preference is to move towards a policy for fans to be fully vaccinated for all fans attending home games going forward. However all of the necessary discussions with various stakeholders have yet to take place to make that happen.

Same situation with #Riders. Things appear headed in this direction. A lot of stakeholder discussions now taking place. As numbers evolve, all teams are having to adjust. Doesn’t sound like it will be long before all 9 @cfl teams will have full vax policies for fans.

Similar policies have been announced in B.C., Calgary, Hamilton, and Ottawa over the past few days, leaving Edmonton and Saskatchewan as the only remaining CFL teams that permit unvaccinated fans to attending games.
https://3downnation.com/2021/08/25/e...r-fans-report/
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:24 PM   #4
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I guess this is part #2

Protocols seem simple, over 12 yrs old to enter an Arena you must be fully vaccinated or in some places a 48 hour test
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:48 PM   #5
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Are players going to be required to vaccinate?

After seeing crazy comments from former players like Prust and Penner I'm curious to see if any current players decide not to get it
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:49 PM   #6
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Are players going to be required to vaccinate?

After seeing crazy comments from former players like Prust and Penner I'm curious to see if any current players decide not to get it
Unclear but will require alignment between the league and NHLPA

https://theprovince.com/sports/hocke...2021-22-season
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Calgary Herald article about CSEC’s decision to require vaccinations: https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...vaccine-policy

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Calgary sports fans have largely welcomed the news — but a kernel of anxiety has erupted for others who fear vaccine mandates will spread.

One angry Calgary business owner said he would not renew his Flames season tickets this year, which cost approximately $24,000 annually. The man — who declined to be identified for fear of blowback to his business — said he’s not anti-vaccination but isn’t convinced of the safety of the COVID-19 vaccines.

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But many fans who spoke to Postmedia said a vaccine mandate was essential to getting them through the door again.
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Old 08-25-2021, 09:38 PM   #8
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I understand limiting entrance to fans and how they can do that but can someone smarter than me please explain to me how these businesses can legally force their employees to get this vaccine under threat of losing their employment? Do we not have laws to prevent this?

Genuine question. I’m curious as to if they can actually do this from a legal standpoint.
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I understand limiting entrance to fans and how they can do that but can someone smarter than me please explain to me how these businesses can legally force their employees to get this vaccine under threat of losing their employment? Do we not have laws to prevent this?

Genuine question. Iím curious as to if they can actually do this from a legal standpoint.
Outside of union environments, employers donít need a reason to fire employees. Itís just a matter of severance or no severance. Employers canít discriminate under typical categories, such as race or sex, under the Human Rights Act but this wouldnít apply.
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Are players going to be required to vaccinate?

After seeing crazy comments from former players like Prust and Penner I'm curious to see if any current players decide not to get it
I think the players are going to have to. The Federal mandate of anyone traveling by plane within Canada is required to be vaccinated. This included charter flights. So I don't know how the NHL gets around that.
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I understand limiting entrance to fans and how they can do that but can someone smarter than me please explain to me how these businesses can legally force their employees to get this vaccine under threat of losing their employment? Do we not have laws to prevent this?

Genuine question. I’m curious as to if they can actually do this from a legal standpoint.
Here an article by a law talkin’ guy about charter challenges and universities. It gives some good insight as to why it is allowed.

https://fauw.blog/2021/08/11/no-a-va...hts/#more-1713


A few quotes but it’s a short article and worth reading the whole thing.

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It is true that the broad liberty interests of unvaccinated individuals are affected by limiting where they can go, by instituting employment requirements, and by having their privacy intruded on by being required to disclose their vaccination status. Yet we already place limitations like this in many circumstances. Ontario schoolchildren have, for many years, been required to provide proof of vaccination to attend school. Smokers are not allowed to smoke in indoor public spaces, because we recognize the dangers of second-hand smoke.

In short, one person’s liberty interests end where the rights of others begin. We cannot allow people to invoke rights in the name of behaviour that produces incontrovertible harm to others.
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We should dismiss simplistic arguments that employment conditions in the valid pursuit of health and safety are unconstitutional (indeed, there are other laws that require employers to take reasonable action to ensure the health and safety of employees and customers).
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Even then, sometimes accommodations don’t work or aren’t feasible, and health and safety rules ought to take precedence if the risks are high enough and other accommodations constitute an undue hardship for the employer.
Basically, vaccines undeniably work, the circumstances allow for reasonable measures given the public health emergency and the health and safety of the general populace outweigh a persons right to infect and endanger others.

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Outside of union environments, employers donít need a reason to fire employees. Itís just a matter of severance or no severance. Employers canít discriminate under typical categories, such as race or sex, under the Human Rights Act but this wouldnít apply.
No clue on how this will shake out with vaccines but on an individual basis the labor board is far more powerful than a union now days and they do protect the workers for wrongful dismissal, fire someone without a good reason? if the individual fights be prepared to write a very large check.
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I think the players are going to have to. The Federal mandate of anyone traveling by plane within Canada is required to be vaccinated. This included charter flights. So I don't know how the NHL gets around that.
And I don’t understand why they would want to get around a vaccine requirement. The summer break was an ideal time to get all the players vaccinated. Even if starting vaccination now, the risk of an adverse reaction causing a player to miss a game is likely much lower than the risk of infection causing a player to miss games or causing the team to have the schedule disrupted.
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I think the players are going to have to. The Federal mandate of anyone traveling by plane within Canada is required to be vaccinated. This included charter flights. So I don't know how the NHL gets around that.
Does that include private planes or charters?
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NHLPA recently told players they might be at risk of having pay withheld this season if they fell ill from COVID-19 and weren’t vaccinated, or if they’re unable to travel because the jurisdiction they are travelling to requires proof of vaccination, such as the case for travellers crossing the border from the U.S. into Canada.
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No clue on how this will shake out with vaccines but on an individual basis the labor board is far more powerful than a union now days and they do protect the workers for wrongful dismissal, fire someone without a good reason? if the individual fights be prepared to write a very large check.
Again, there is no requirement under Alberta law for there to be any reason to fire someone. Itís just that if there is just cause, you donít have to give reasonable notice or pay in lieu of notice. All that any lawsuit would do is establish how much notice should be given. That would vary depending on position and term.
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And I donít understand why they would want to get around a vaccine requirement. The summer break was an ideal time to get all the players vaccinated. Even if starting vaccination now, the risk of an adverse reaction causing a player to miss a game is likely much lower than the risk of infection causing a player to miss games or causing the team to have the schedule disrupted.
Yeah 100%. The NHL isn't even going to entertain the thought of finding any loop hole as they want everyone vaccinated.

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Does that include private planes or charters?

Just what I heard on the radio and they specifically mentioned charters. I don't know about private planes.
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I understand limiting entrance to fans and how they can do that but can someone smarter than me please explain to me how these businesses can legally force their employees to get this vaccine under threat of losing their employment? Do we not have laws to prevent this?

Genuine question. Iím curious as to if they can actually do this from a legal standpoint.
Many businesses have requirements for safety, etc.

Itís REALLY easy to show that Covid protection is safer for all who work there.

And thereís a thing called WCB. If an employee goes to work, gets sick from COVID, itís going to be a lot better for the company if they were actively taking measures to prevent COVID spread rather than ignoring it.

Corporate insurance policies, same thing.

Iíd be surprised if there are any companies mid sized and up that HAVENT made vaccines mandatory by some point this fall.
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Sharks will require proof of vaccination.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430985750728777730
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I think the players are going to have to. The Federal mandate of anyone traveling by plane within Canada is required to be vaccinated. This included charter flights. So I don't know how the NHL gets around that.
I thought the federal mandate only included commercial flights. The NHL teams travel on private jets and should not be subject to the required vaccination protocol.
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