[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Goriders

CBC unbiased and well balanced.

So find this mythical CBC article that paints the opposite picture to what Corbella, Eric Francis, and friends are trying to foist on the citizens of Calgary.

… or are you just playing this game where you goad somebody into calling you a moron and then you cry “ahhh! personal insults!”.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So find this mythical CBC article that paints the opposite picture to what Corbella, Eric Francis, and friends are trying to foist on the citizens of Calgary.

… or are you just playing this game where you goad somebody into calling you a moron and then you cry “ahhh! personal insults!”.

[GioforPM]

I love the sea lion meme

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Would you mind showing me evidence that you love the sea lion meme?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So find this mythical CBC article that paints the opposite picture to what Corbella, Eric Francis, and friends are trying to foist on the citizens of Calgary.

… or are you just playing this game where you goad somebody into calling you a moron and then you cry “ahhh! personal insults!”.

I've always been bemused by this CBC knee jerk reaction, since I've actually never seen the evidence of some sort of pro-government bias in any CBC opinion show, news broadcast, etc. I mean, they had Rex Murphy on for years, who projects himself as some sort of intellectual/populist. If someone could actually show a biased article, great. Go for it.

[topfiverecords]

Negative angst about the CBC carries a certain cachet with the anti-Trudeau crowd. There’s no thought or reason behind it. I’m honestly surprised we don’t see piss on CBC stickers on more pickup trucks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Would you mind showing me evidence that you love the sea lion meme?

LOL (I actually can if I screenshotted my bookmarks).

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've always been bemused by this CBC knee jerk reaction, since I've actually never seen the evidence of some sort of pro-government bias in any CBC opinion show, news broadcast, etc. I mean, they had Rex Murphy on for years, who projects himself as some sort of intellectual/populist. If someone could actually show a biased article, great. Go for it.

Me too...at some point it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you look hard enough you can see whatever you want to see.

To the extent that any progressive bias creeps in, it's really hard to argue that it exceeds the conservative bias that creeps (to be generous) into most of the other MSM in Canada.

[Bingo]

Personally I think it's a bit dodgy for anyone to assess degree of bias of any source because they likely come from a point of bias themselves.

Some are obvious.

But others are seen more by those that lean the other way. We all have blind spots.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Me too...at some point it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you look hard enough you can see whatever you want to see.

To the extent that any progressive bias creeps in, it's really hard to argue that it exceeds the conservative bias that creeps (to be generous) into most of the other MSM in Canada.

Nearly choked on my coffee. That's awesome.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’m trying to really understand what the grand benefit of having the new arena is, and I haven’t really been presented with a lot of compelling reasons. My wife’s family came to town in December for the Bruins game and wondered why we needed a new building. Here’s what I am under the impression on the “need” for it, is this an accurate fulsome list or are there more?

- bathroom lines are faster or negligible
- roof maybe doesn’t collapse one day? Maybe? Is this true? Read something about the roof crumbling
- building is nicer to look at

That about sum it up? And for this we get wildly increased ticket prices (see: Oilers), less parking, and more construction for a few years.

Seems like the Flames and their owners get a lot of cool stuff but just not sure what average Joe guy gets.

I think you've pretty much nailed it. IMO the roof is the only substantial consideration...everything else will be a pretty marginal better/worse in the grand scheme depending on individual use cases/viewpoints:

- a new building will likely be generally more attractive closer up, but lose that iconic/unique contribution to the cityscape from further away
- 15k+ people are always going to present challenges for access/egress/toilets...of course marginal improvements are certainly possible

Regarding the roof:

Spoiler!

I'm not an engineer, but it doesn't seem like it should be that hard/expensive to reinforce it an ensure it is safe for decades to come. A fairly recent article pegs the roof itself closer to $35M (quite different than the $200M rumoured this month):

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...roof-1.5637461

Perhaps you get ambitious and build out one of the end-zone concourses at the same time to tick off a lot of the other amenities we are supposed to see from a new building.


I'll acknowledge that it is probably more sensible to direct that money to a new building, but it would be nice if we weren't painting ourselves into the same corner again where the city is totally responsible for resolving whatever unanticipated problems emerge with the next building.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Nearly choked on my coffee. That's awesome.

Do you think progressive bias with the CBC exceeds conservative bias with PostMedia?

[GioforPM]

The hypothesis:

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Negative angst about the CBC carries a certain cachet with the anti-Trudeau crowd. There’s no thought or reason behind it. I’m honestly surprised we don’t see piss on CBC stickers on more pickup trucks.

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Me too...at some point it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you look hard enough you can see whatever you want to see.

To the extent that any progressive bias creeps in, it's really hard to argue that it exceeds the conservative bias that creeps (to be generous) into most of the other MSM in Canada.

The proof:

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Nearly choked on my coffee. That's awesome.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So find this mythical CBC article that paints the opposite picture to what Corbella, Eric Francis, and friends are trying to foist on the citizens of Calgary.

… or are you just playing this game where you goad somebody into calling you a moron and then you cry “ahhh! personal insults!”.

I’ve just never heard anyone say that the CBC doesn’t have a bias.

I haven’t honestly seem that. It’s not their track record.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’ve just never heard anyone say that the CBC doesn’t have a bias.

I haven’t honestly seem that. It’s not their track record.

Show your work.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Me too...at some point it becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy because if you look hard enough you can see whatever you want to see.

To the extent that any progressive bias creeps in, it's really hard to argue that it exceeds the conservative bias that creeps (to be generous) into most of the other MSM in Canada.

Conservative bias in Canadian mainstream media?

Other than national post and toronto sun are you serious? You must be joking.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Conservative bias in Canadian mainstream media?

Other than national post and toronto sun are you serious? You must be joking.

You do realize that the National Post is owned by Postmedia, which also owns The Herald, and almost every other large local daily paper in Canada.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Conservative bias in Canadian mainstream media?

Other than national post and toronto sun are you serious? You must be joking.

https://www.postmedia.com/brands/

Corus (Global)?

How about IrvingNews Brunswick News?

[GioforPM]

If you want a newspaper in Calgary that isn't Postmedia you are SOL. That includes the local papers in Airdrie and Cochrane.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’ve just never heard anyone say that the CBC doesn’t have a bias.

I haven’t honestly seem that. It’s not their track record.

Well why did you bring it up?