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Old 02-15-2018, 08:56 AM   #1
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Is there a better rivalry in hockey than the Womens Canada vs USA?
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:27 AM   #2
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It's so unabashedly venomous too. Cassie's comments before the...94 or 98? games where she was on the elevator with the US team and the rookies were trash talking her. The flag incident, the "how's it feel to lose?" comment before the comeback in Sochi, and a ton of smaller things like the comment and staredown after the penalty shot yesterday. This is a feud 20 years long with no signs of slowing down. It's now very ingrained in any game they play.

A best of 7 would be insane.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:30 AM   #3
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There's a lot of genuine hatred there and has been for 20 years.

My favourite moment of the rivalry:

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There was.



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Some of sports best rivalries are the ones where there's genuine hate behind it. I know this is going to sound sexist, but with scrums in men's hockey, you know that they're fighting from the heat of the moment but they'd all likely have a beer afterwards and laugh it off. The best part about that game ending scrum in the women's game, is that there's 20+ years of hatred behind each push, shove and punch.

You can tell at the end with the "handshakes", they were just slapping hands.

Way more exciting than MMA with fake heat between fighters. I hated it so much when Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock hugged and shook hands after their rubber match. Ditto when Daniel Cormier and Jon Jones hugged too. I feel like such a sucker for believing they had genuine hatred for each other.

Women's hockey, the hate is as real as it gets
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:09 PM   #6
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Women's hockey, the hate is as real as it gets
Many of them play together in NCAA.
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Many of them play together in NCAA.
Yes, but every one of them - on both teams - admit to pure hatred towards the other team.

Obviously NCAA team-mates won't hate each other, but there are plenty of other candidates on both teams to fill the void.
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Many of them play together in NCAA.
Looks like most of Canada play in the CWHL

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/ne...pic-team-named

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Goaltenders: Ann-Renée Desbiens (La Malbaie, Que./University of Wisconsin, WCHA), Geneviève Lacasse (Kingston, Ont./Calgary, CWHL), Shannon Szabados (Edmonton, Alta.)

Defencemen: Renata Fast (Burlington, Ont./Toronto, CWHL), Laura Fortino (Hamilton, Ont./Markham, CWHL), Brigette Lacquette (Mallard, Man./Calgary, CWHL), Jocelyne Larocque (Ste. Anne, Man./Markham, CWHL), Meaghan Mikkelson (St. Albert, Alta./Calgary, CWHL), Lauriane Rougeau (Beaconsfield, Que./Montreal, CWHL);

Forwards: Meghan Agosta (Ruthven, Ont.), Bailey Bram (Ste. Anne, Man./Calgary, CWHL), Emily Clark (Saskatoon, Sask./University of Wisconsin, WCHA), Mélodie Daoust (Valleyfield, Que./Montreal, CWHL), Haley Irwin (Thunder Bay, Ont./Calgary, CWHL), Brianne Jenner (Oakville, Ont./Calgary, CWHL), Rebecca Johnston (Sudbury, Ont./Calgary, CWHL) Sarah Nurse (Hamilton, Ont./University of Wisconsin, WCHA), Marie-Philip Poulin (Beauceville, Que./Montreal, CWHL), Jillian Saulnier (Halifax/Calgary, CWHL), Natalie Spooner (Scarborough, Ont./Toronto, CWHL), Laura Stacey (Kleinburg, Ont./Markham, CWHL), Blayre Turnbull (Stellarton, N.S./Calgary, CWHL), Jennifer Wakefield (Pickering, Ont./Linköping HC, SWE).
WCHA: 3

CWHL: 17
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Looks like most of Canada play in the CWHL

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/ne...pic-team-named



WCHA: 3

CWHL: 17
Not dismissing the hatred angle which I believe to be real but I would think most cwhlers are NCAA alums?
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Not dismissing the hatred angle which I believe to be real but I would think most cwhlers are NCAA alums?
excellent point
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Szabados and Daoust are the only members of Team Canada who didn't play in the NCAA.

Daoust chose to go to McGill, and Szabados was NCAA ineligible because she attended a WHL training camp when she was 16.
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Szabados and Daoust are the only members of Team Canada who didn't play in the NCAA.

Daoust chose to go to McGill, and Szabados was NCAA ineligible because she attended a WHL training camp when she was 16.
Wow, so dumb, so so dumb
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i thought is youw ent to a CHL camp you are ineligible for a NCAA scholarship, but could still play in the NCAA
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Technically Szabados was ineligible because she played in a preseason game (splitting time with Carey Price), not just because she attended the training camp. But she didn't have any intention on going to the NCAA anyway. She was fine going the AJHL to ACAC route.
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Many of them play together in NCAA.
And on the same teams of the CWHL. Though nowadays most of the USA players play in the NWHL save Julie Chu.
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Poulin is money in gold medal games....never ceases to amaze me how some layer can live in the moment and just be clutch in big games....
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Poulin is money in gold medal games....never ceases to amaze me how some layer can live in the moment and just be clutch in big games....
I have no doubt in my mind that she wins it on the PP with a minute left if the d-man didn't fall over and then miss a pass by 10 feet leading to a rush the other way.

You could just tell she wanted the puck so bad but was gassed from having to backcheck hard to break up the rush going back the other way.
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I have no doubt in my mind that she wins it on the PP with a minute left if the d-man didn't fall over and then miss a pass by 10 feet leading to a rush the other way.

You could just tell she wanted the puck so bad but was gassed from having to backcheck hard to break up the rush going back the other way.
That was some Gulutzan level type coaching. Putting on that player who hadn't played since the 2nd period who then chokes on a any easy pass back to the point. Wasting all those precious seconds off near the end of overtime cost them the gold.

Course they should have lost in OT to begin with. The Americans were all over them.
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That was some Gulutzan level type coaching. Putting on that player who hadn't played since the 2nd period who then chokes on a any easy pass back to the point. Wasting all those precious seconds off near the end of overtime cost them the gold.

Course they should have lost in OT to begin with. The Americans were all over them.
Because the coach triple shifted the same 4 D and same 4 Forwards. Who were exhausted. While the US rolled deeper into their bench.
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That was some Gulutzan level type coaching. Putting on that player who hadn't played since the 2nd period who then chokes on a any easy pass back to the point. Wasting all those precious seconds off near the end of overtime cost them the gold.
Meh. Muckler is acclaimed for playing a hunch in '90 and putting Klima on the ice after only playing one previous shift in three OT periods plus a half hour blackout.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. This time it very much didn't.
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