Daniel Shaver police shooting

[Agamemnon]

I don't know how anyone can watch that and condone it. If it's the 'way its done', then that way needs to be changed. That was a cold blooded killing of a begging and crawling young man.

Insane... I'm not sure if the video makes me sicker, or defence of the 'justifiable' shooting.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Wow... I don't know how anyone can watch that and condone it. If it's the 'way its done', then that way needs to be changed. That was a cold blooded killing of a begging and crawling young man.

Insane.

For what it's worth I believe FlamesGimp overwhelmingly supports police in all controversial shootings when they come up on CP.

I could be wrong, not trying to put anything on him that isn't there, but he's generally an automatic "he had it coming/criminals are the worst and deserve anything they get" guy, from what I recall.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Wow that was brutal to watch.. I am sorry they got it wrong no way that was justifiable. They were just waiting for a reason to pull the trigger.

[CofR]

Originally Posted by SebC

I would like to hear a reasonable explanation for why this was not done, if there is one.

The only thing I can think of is that they wanted to move him further away from the door he exited from as they were not certain that there nobody else was in the room... That's the only remotely reasonable thing I can think of.

Entire thing was avoidable and horrific. The officer giving the verbal directions comes across as one big bully who now feels justified in pushing people around.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

umm it was a call for a man with a gun, they have him at gunpoint, he makes a move to the back of his shirt, in what city is it not justifiable to shoot?

My question still stands:

Why is he crawling in the first place? Why not cuff him when he was face down on the ground?

He's face down, then he's up and got his hands up, then he has to crawl, then when he pulls his shorts up while he's crawling he's dead.

I really can't believe that was the best way to handle that situation.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yep, cuff him while he was on the ground and nobody dies. Power trip.

Originally Posted by SebC

I would like to hear a reasonable explanation for why this was not done, if there is one.

I'm going to guess that they didn't want to go to the suspect in this case because he was laying right in front of the hotel room door he had just exited, and for all they knew there was one or more armed suspects still in the room who could or would ambush them.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

That must be it. Thanks.

[Robo]

That was awful to watch, it looks like he had kids from the news picture. with the video being released I can't imagine what his family is going through having to watch a video of your dad's death or hearing about it from kids at school just isn't right.

[DownInFlames]

I'm obviously not a cop, but I do watch a lot of police chase and arrest videos. What they usually do if they want someone to move to a better location for the arrest is have the guy stand, lock his hands behind his head, and walk backwards towards them.

The cop barking commands bothers me as much as the shooter. He wasn't clear with his instructions, and his comments about shooting the suspect became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I bet he made the guy crawl just to humiilate him. Cops have a hard job, especially in America where so many people are armed, but these guys made no attempt to de-escalate the situation and should never wear a badge again.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

My question still stands:

Why is he crawling in the first place? Why not cuff him when he was face down on the ground?

He's face down, then he's up and got his hands up, then he has to crawl, then when he pulls his shorts up while he's crawling he's dead.

I really can't believe that was the best way to handle that situation.

I've seen a lot of police shootings where they are even very careful approaching a suspect after shooting. In this incident they weren't able to clear the room maybe? so safer to have him come to him.

[White Out 403]

people defending this execution disgust me. and i truly mean that. if you find a way to defend the officer here i think you are a morally reprehensible person.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by SebC

I would like to hear a reasonable explanation for why this was not done, if there is one.

I read that the suspect's shorts were falling down and it looked in the video like that caused him to fall forward a bit. Then he reached down to pull his shorts up. Reaching for your waste band is what you might do if you were carrying a gun. So psycho cop shot him and a jury believed it was justified.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

people defending this execution disgust me. and i truly mean that. if you find a way to defend the officer here i think you are a morally reprehensible person.

Psychopathic basically. No compassion, no empathy. No intelligence either.

[Wormius]

So, this is what I don't understand. The cop was able to react pretty quickly to that small movement that Shaver made, so why not just wait a moment longer and see what exactly he is about to do; if he starts to pull something out, then shoot him. It's not like this cop had a problem with his reaction time.

[Agamemnon]

I know the family is suing the City of Mesa... wondering if they can also sue the murderous officer directly? At least if he was completely financially ruined that would be a small modicum of justice. To think he gets to walk away from this is terrible.

[wooohooo]

This is also a big reason why people in America have a lot less respects for cops than they do here in Canada. There's a lot of good cops out there, but the wild cowboys here calls into the reputation of all police there.

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I know the family is suing the City of Mesa... wondering if they can also sue the murderous officer directly? At least if he was completely financially ruined that would be a small modicum of justice. To think he gets to walk away from this is terrible.

Daniel Shaver's parents are suing the City of Mesa, Phillip Brailsford, and Charles Langley (Brailsford's commanding officer at the time)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...=CV2017-090318

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by snootchiebootchies

Daniel Shaver's parents are suing the City of Mesa, Phillip Brailsford, and Charles Langley (Brailsford's commanding officer at the time)

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...=CV2017-090318

Excellent, ty.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So, this is what I don't understand. The cop was able to react pretty quickly to that small movement that Shaver made, so why not just wait a moment longer and see what exactly he is about to do; if he starts to pull something out, then shoot him. It's not like this cop had a problem with his reaction time.

supposed to wait and see what in the hand? what

[Flames_Gimp]

i'm blown away at the amount of people surprised by this. Guns drawn on you if you make reaching motions with your hand there's a chance you could be shot, no?