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Old 06-29-2019, 10:18 PM   #1341
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He forgot the "wink" emoji.

Looking at some of his previous tweets he had nothing but praise for the talent and team as players.

The impotent CSA has no one to answer to as far as press or fans or sponsors, so this is just another shrug of the shoulders and business as usual making sure their internal self interests are covered first.
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I donít read his tweets as wink emojiís

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Old 06-29-2019, 10:53 PM   #1343
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The impotent CSA has no one to answer to as far as press or fans or sponsors, so this is just another shrug of the shoulders and business as usual making sure their internal self interests are covered first.
This is the sad truth of the scenario.

Unless you play the CSA's game, you will have your media access revoked. It's been getting worse over the years. Certain journalists/broadcasters are purposely left off of media releases, conference calls, and if you do ask for interviews, officials want to "vet" questions -- a big no-no for any sports governing body.

Without going into a massive rant, the lack of accountability is tremendously worrisome.

All that aside, the lack of friendlies for both the men and women ahead of these major tournaments makes no sense. They don't have to be on home soil where logistics can be a bit more difficult in the winter with outdoor stadiums, but BC Place does offer a sanctuary during the cold months. If not in Canada, plan them somewhere else.

Enough already. People aren't drinking the kool-aid anymore about being having the "most connected" squads, etc. etc. The proof is in the pudding and these results stink.
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Damn that was a brutal heartbreaking game, tactics were poor, just way too slow to adjust. I agree that Herdman would be fired for that performance in a lot of countries. But for me bottom line is that the two wingbacks were beyond terrible and while RB seemed like there were no better options, LB seems like a screw up by Herdman. Also that Morgan sub about 25 minutes too late... jeez.

I can't imagine what that did to Davies confidence getting played in a position he's awful at, and Godinho doesn't even look like a senior player yet (though Borjan should have came and got that first back pass, weak as it was). Sad state of the national team D when a 21 year old squad player from the Scottish league is first choice.

I know the one kid hasn't committed yet but they need to grab those two WBs who are starting in the Chilean Premier League immediately, one's a RB and one's a LB. Also where the heck was Adekugbe? He's at least a passable LB playing first team football at a good level in europe.

I thought CB was going to be the achilles but Cornelius at least looked OK and Henry was ok for Henry.

Still the whole backline needs a revamp if they're going to make/compete at a World Cup level. And it's a tragedy right now that it is so bad with the level of talent in Midfield, Wing and Forward positions. But somehow feels unexpected that they find ways to lose regardless of the talent as a CMNT fan. What a downer. At least we got to enjoy the Raps.

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And one more thing I meant to say... this is exactly the kind of faceplant you'd predict from a country that appoints a chartered accountant as the President of it's national soccer body and has an MBA as the vice president both of whom have no background in professional soccer.

I know it's low hanging fruit but holy crap does something ever smell rotten at the CSA when it comes to optics and appointments.

FFS purge the board, kick all of these small time self-interested political idiots from the provincial bodies out and bring in guys with a background in the professional game, it's not rocket science.

We're like the Oilers of international soccer except at least their buddies who they give jobs to won something even if it's ancient history and irrelevant to mgmt.

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I never understood Davies at LB. Bayern wants to play him there now too. Heís a forward and just because heís fast doesnít mean he can defend or know how to position himself. Stupid move.

Godinho was god-awful

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This is the sad truth of the scenario.

Unless you play the CSA's game, you will have your media access revoked. It's been getting worse over the years. Certain journalists/broadcasters are purposely left off of media releases, conference calls, and if you do ask for interviews, officials want to "vet" questions -- a big no-no for any sports governing body.

Without going into a massive rant, the lack of accountability is tremendously worrisome.

All that aside, the lack of friendlies for both the men and women ahead of these major tournaments makes no sense. They don't have to be on home soil where logistics can be a bit more difficult in the winter with outdoor stadiums, but BC Place does offer a sanctuary during the cold months. If not in Canada, plan them somewhere else.

Enough already. People aren't drinking the kool-aid anymore about being having the "most connected" squads, etc. etc. The proof is in the pudding and these results stink.
Wow. This is just shocking.
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:39 AM   #1348
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And one more thing I meant to say... this is exactly the kind of faceplant you'd predict from a country that appoints a chartered accountant as the President of it's national soccer body and has an MBA as the vice president both of whom have no background in professional soccer.

I know it's low hanging fruit but holy crap does something ever smell rotten at the CSA when it comes to optics and appointments.

FFS purge the board, kick all of these small time self-interested political idiots from the provincial bodies out and bring in guys with a background in the professional game, it's not rocket science.

We're like the Oilers of international soccer except at least their buddies who they give jobs to won something even if it's ancient history and irrelevant to mgmt.
The one thing the CSA have used as a crutch as a last resort and cried about after previous poor results was lack of funding to properly train and set up friendlies etc. It was an excuse becuase they were unorganized and basically lazy. Well, they have a financial windfall now with the 2026 money, but it's not going anywhere except in to the board, executives, and the handful of provincial directors that have influence.

Provincial associations, those that aren't part of the group thet got the current executive in place and play the political game, that is, best not question where the money goes as far as grass roots development or they are shut out for any future funding. Shut out just like Mango says the press is.

It's been a rotten organization for decades. As mentioned though, much of the actual power and influence Imo is sitting at the Ontario and Quebec provincial level, who then dictate and prop up the executive, and the massive board of the CSA. That power is there because of the control of sponsors and players that those groups, and are well organized, and compared to the other provincial organizations which have a handful of people, a technical directors, and some admin staff, so they make the mandate that the national board follows.

So even if there was an independent white knight coming in to pressure and question and be able to affect change at the CSA itself, and make changes there, those provincial bodies would just replace with likeminded colleagues.

The only glimmer of hope is that somehow, someway in the build up of 2026, when national sponsors start coming aboard, there are ones that actually care about long term soccer development, and see how grossly mismanaged the CSA is and how unprepared they are for handling that development, and force change there. It needs a renaissance like the "Own the podium" movement was among corporate sponsors working inline with the COC.

But that movement was borne out of previous Olympics, which is still very high profile in this country, and the terrible results in the 90s and early 2000s, and athletes and public alike voicing displeasure, to get things and corporations moving in that direction. Not enough people care about soccer to that level (nevermind hockey, where anything outside of the medals generates national symposiums) to question why we are crashing out and choking away competitions and not making World Cups for the past 30 years. And those that try and question change, at a smaller level are shut down and shut out like Mango says.

So, CSA will clumsily approach national sponsors for 2026, promise the moon and how thier contributions will go to fund Canada in soccer for generations, in exchange for seeing their name on ad boards at Commonwealth. Companies will pay becuase of the massive international audience and to be associated with the WC, but not care past those two weeks of 2026 after all the Fifa parties (and OH yes the games too) are over, that the people part of the organization in the country that had run soccer for the past 30 years, and is the stewards for the next 30, don't care one way or another if Canada grows the game and the development. That the group in in the country that should be striving to push Canada higher and higher and getting corporate sponsors on board and getting soccer in the lexicon of every casual Canadian like the Olympics are, and it not being publically acceptable to fail over and over at qualifying for the WCF. But the CSA doesn't have time for those national long term goals and working each day, slowly but surely, they are more individually concerned about staying in the good books of those propping them up and who voted them in to worry about paper mandates.

And I am sure the arrogance of the organization also is at at play... "hey we have the 2026 World Cup games, so that should fuel development all on its own, we don't have to do much outside if say we will spend some of the money on adding new fields (in Ontario and Quebec, and make sure press release that and put it in our presentation to Fifa in Bermuda which we will all attend for 2 weeks) and recognize some coaches an appoint an international technical director for $300k a year, and call it a day.

Mark my words, the women's program is going downhill fast too. Other countries are spending much more then the CSA is. We had an early program a decade or so ago, and got some results when most countries didn't care. Now other countries do care and are blowing past Canada, and in 4 or 8 years that gap widens. How long until the same lame CSA, throw hands in air excuses they use for the men with geography and a national league etc? How much of the WWC funds the CSA got fom 4 years ago are? Should be in some legacy fund for ladies soccer in this country. While not massive like the Men there is money and prestige that comes with hosting that and the money is long gone, pissed away by the CSA.

The CSA are corrupt and in the job solely for the perks it brings them personally, and the widely encompassing soccer part is second or third down the list in order of priority. They've got decades old built in excuses (Geography, not a true National League (You can see the give a #### level they think about the CanPl with the Ottawa Fury situation and the racism allegations with Calvary and Forge), inability to attract top technical soccer people (Zambrano was far too vocal internally at the CSA clearly and the CSA can't have people that stir the pot, that is crystal clear) etc, when the real reason it's a disjointed, politically and territorialy motivated oligarchy of a governing body which has embarrassed this country on the global stage since the late 80s.

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Just watch how tennis development is run compared to soccer development.
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So....I picked a good time to miss a Canada game hey?

First real test for Herdman 18 months into his tenure, where they have barely played, and he fails miserably. More of the same from Canadian national teams, talk big, and fail when it matters.
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:59 PM   #1351
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I'm still pissed about that game.

That is all.
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I'm still pissed about that game.

That is all.

Now I am even more mad about this loss. Not only did it cost Canada a spot in the semifinals, it might have cost Canada a spot in the HEX!


U.S., Mexico straight to Hex in new CONCACAF format


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The teams that aren't in the Hexagonal will be involved in a separate tournament involving the teams ranked between seventh and 35th. Those 29 teams will be drawn into eight groups, with the winners of those groups advancing to a knockout phase. The country that wins the knockout phase will play against the fourth-placed finisher in the Hexagonal in October 2021 for a spot in the FIFA intercontinental playoff.

Canada has until June 2020 to get into the Top 6. Will need a good performance in the Nations Cup against USA and Cuba plus other friendlies.
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Absolutely ridiculous process. We need to schedule some friendlies with some highly ranked teams. Pay all expenses for Iran and North Ireland to scrimmage us asap!! They're ranked 20th and 28th respectively in those absurb FIFA rankings.
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This new system is such a terrible outcome for everybody except the big three in NA... how can you have a qualifying process where 80% of the teams don't even get a chance to play games to qualify? And justifying it by saying they get a remote shot at the 0.5 slot is crazy. They play off against the 4th team in the hex and probably a South American team, if they beat the other 29 teams... insanity.

At least next time around teams will know that their ranking matters but Canada didn't even have friendlies in a lot of the international breaks not knowing this was going to be the case and now it seems like their only chance to qualify is beating the US in the nations league.

Honestly can't even believe that it is allowed/sanctioned to have 30ish teams competing for 0.25 of a WCQ spot while 6 go straight through to play for 3.25.

Just when you thoughts FIFA and CONCACAF couldn't get any worse.
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Thanks Herdman, the gold cup gift that keeps giving.
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Absolutely ridiculous process. We need to schedule some friendlies with some highly ranked teams. Pay all expenses for Iran and North Ireland to scrimmage us asap!! They're ranked 20th and 28th respectively in those absurb FIFA rankings.
How about we beat a team from a impoverished war torn country when up 2 after 35 mins first? And there is simply no good reason why our soccer federation has El Salvador and Honduras ahead of us in the Hex, and have been for a decade now.

And the CSA has had years to schedule friendlies. Like everything else that may have helped soccer in this country, they just havenít bothered to have gotten around to it.
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Hmm, I gather this CONCACAF setup was the price of having a Canadian as president. Not sure it’s helping us.
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They want to reduce games and since the Hex was introduced in 1998, the US and Mexico have never missed.

All these countries not named Canada have qualified for World Cups through the Hex.

Jamaica 98
Costa Rica 02, 06, 14, 18
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Absolutely ridiculous process. We need to schedule some friendlies with some highly ranked teams. Pay all expenses for Iran and North Ireland to scrimmage us asap!! They're ranked 20th and 28th respectively in those absurb FIFA rankings.
Are friendlies even friendlies with this system in place? Or is everything just qualifying.
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Are friendlies even friendlies with this system in place? Or is everything just qualifying.

They're using the fifa rankings as the qualifying criteria. So friendlies count now. If Canada had been more active with friendlies and won a few they'd probably be in the top 6, the margins are so tight.

Surprise - the last 3 years of games of non-WCQ games were super important!

As it stands with Canada in one of the toughest group at nations league and teams like Honduras with a way easier road and head start in the points, Canada is almost already effectively eliminated IMO. They basically need to win their group at nations league and beat the US or we can already start thinking about 2026. And odds of beating the US are astronomical for this program.

It's amazing that Canada's WCQ 2022 is pretty much over before it even started. Even by Canada's standards this is a new low.
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