Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[ResAlien]

Not much to do other than shrug your shoulders and accept that it’s a risk you take living in America. Some will call for gun control reform, others will say it’s not the time to talk about gun control, others will ask that we not politicize the event, and some will claim it’s a mental health issue. Then nothing will happen, everyone except the dead will move on, and we’ll get a new all time high mass shooting within 24 months. Cest la vie.

[transplant99]

Apparently a good number of the injured were not shot but injured in the stampede to get away. "trampled" was a word used.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Submachine guns and automatic weapons are illegal in Nevada, just as they are pretty much everywhere.

There are no state level restrictions on select fire guns in Nevada, they follow the federal regulations for ownership.

Chances are though that the firearms used were not select fire.

[Phil1111]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Possessing machine guns/automatic weapons is legal in Nevada if they are registered. It's why you can shoot an AK at the ranges down there.

You don't need a permit or license to own an automatic weapon. In Canada or the US. All it takes is a willing desire.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-rifle-at-home

The deranged don't need religion, politics, nor economic opportunity nor disadvantage. To act. To blame this event on any of the aforementioned motivators is speculation.

Its reported that he killed himself after this event. So something in his mind created the scenario that in the last 20 minutes of his 64 year old life. The havoc that he dispensed upon innocents was a important way for him to end his life.Created something of satisfaction in his defective mind.Nothing more or less.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'll make my second about this guy being another NRA hero exercising his second amendment rights and fighting for "freedom" by slaughtering concert goers.

Like it or not, the political aspect of these events are relevant. lndeed, Killer Carlson - correctly - included Trump's empty tweet in his op summary.

If the deaths of two dozen school children did not shock the US into action over gun control, nothing will change in the States and you'll just more violence and bigger death tolls.

Special interest money in US politics, NRA controlled Congressman and uncontrolled US advertising by gunmakers are the issue here. US citizens as a whole need to really serious that before anything can be fixed.

[Kjesse]

This would have taken a fair amount of planning, including making sure to get a hotel room overlooking the concert area. I wonder how far in advance he booked.

You'd think taking 10 guns into a hotel room would be noticed and raise some eyebrows. Although I suppose he could say something like, he was a dealer.

That many people packed in so tightly makes them very easy targets. Just horrible. This was designed to inflict the maximum deaths in the shortest time.

Las Vegas of all places, it will never be the same.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently a good number of the injured were not shot but injured in the stampede to get away. "trampled" was a word used.

On 660 News this morning, they talked about a couple Calgarians at that concert and mentioned that after initially hiding behind a kiosk, they made a dash for the one exit. Presumably the one exit that they could reach as opposed to there being only one way in or out, but in any case, a stampede into a chokepoint would have resulted in a lot of injuries.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Kjesse

This would have taken a fair amount of planning, including making sure to get a hotel room overlooking the concert area. I wonder how far in advance he booked.

You'd think taking 10 guns into a hotel room would be noticed and raise some eyebrows. Although I suppose he could say something like, he was a dealer.

That many people packed in so tightly makes them very easy targets. Just horrible. This was designed to inflict the maximum deaths in the shortest time.

Las Vegas of all places, it will never be the same.

My guess is he probably brought them in one or two at a time and disguised within luggage or a golf bag...something along those lines. Most of these types of weapons break down to smaller components as well.

Guns are illegal in these hotels with casinos from what i understand, so this kind of arsenal was probably never brought in at once...particularly to a room 32 floors up.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Kjesse

This would have taken a fair amount of planning, including making sure to get a hotel room overlooking the concert area. I wonder how far in advance he booked.

You'd think taking 10 guns into a hotel room would be noticed and raise some eyebrows. Although I suppose he could say something like, he was a dealer.

That many people packed in so tightly makes them very easy targets. Just horrible. This was designed to inflict the maximum deaths in the shortest time.

Las Vegas of all places, it will never be the same.

Would it have taken planning? It's pretty easy to find a hotel room in Vegas. They don't search you before you enter. There are also concerts and live events happening continuously.

He loads a bunch of weapons into a suitcase, sees a bunch of people outside, then acts.

Questions need to be asked about why it's so easy to pull off a mass murder like this.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Phil1111

You don't need a permit or license to own an automatic weapon. In Canada or the US. All it takes is a willing desire.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-rifle-at-home

The deranged don't need religion, politics, nor economic opportunity nor disadvantage. To act. To blame this event on any of the aforementioned motivators is speculation.

Its reported that he killed himself after this event. So something in his mind created the scenario that in the last 20 minutes of his 64 year old life. The havoc that he dispensed upon innocents was a important way for him to end his life.Created something of satisfaction in his defective mind.Nothing more or less.

Incorrect. It's extremely hard to acquire a fully automatic weapon, even in the USA. In Canada, it's basically impossible.

Oft times people confuse semi-automatic, i.e.: the AR-15 style rifles used at Sandy Hook, and fully autos that look like AR-15s, but are typically only used by the military.

Semi-auto does not equal fully auto, despite how a weapon looks.

Having said all that, it doesn't really matter. An AR-15 is just as deadly, and America's addiction to cool ass looking firearms is damaging to their society and culture.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

...everyone except the dead will move on...

I unfortunately don't think this is true. Lots of links between exposure to violence and a perpensity for it. I heard a great talk one day, discussing a study indicating one exposure to gun violence doubles youths likelihood to engage in violent behaviour.
Aside for the obvious tragedy of many people dead and injured, some of the worst effects of these type of events aren't immediately clear. Not only is post-traumatic stress a real factor for people in events like this, but the toll it takes on children in particular can be devestating.

[GirlySports]

Do hotels even check bags? If for example one of us walked into the Westin and checked in, the porter would just take our bags up to our room.

I suspect when all this is unpacked you'll find out this was economic terrorism. The fact that this guy lived in Pahrump is a big clue.

[Resolute 14]

^ Copycats are a thing too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see another uptick in mass shootings.

[Burninator]

Hotel security is not the problem here folks.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do hotels even check bags? If for example one of us walked into the Westin and checked in, the porter would just take our bags up to our room.

So far as I know, hotel staff have no authority or ability to 'check' a bag. Most hotels don't even (these days) have someone who doesn't deal with your baggage other than you.

When my wife and I were in Vegas last year, we dealt with all our luggage. If we needed an extra hand, the hotel had some push-carts/trolleys nearby that could be used.

Honestly, it's not really their job. What are they going to do if they find something? Guns? Drugs? Stuff like that?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Kjesse

This would have taken a fair amount of planning, including making sure to get a hotel room overlooking the concert area. I wonder how far in advance he booked.

You'd think taking 10 guns into a hotel room would be noticed and raise some eyebrows. Although I suppose he could say something like, he was a dealer.

That many people packed in so tightly makes them very easy targets. Just horrible. This was designed to inflict the maximum deaths in the shortest time.

Las Vegas of all places, it will never be the same.

I'm not sure it took that much planning, you are assuming the concert was his specific target, an idiot like this may well have just planned on shooting whoever he happened to see and the concert in the car park was a terrible coincidence.

The problem with the US is crap like this takes very little planning in truth, the guns can be purchased in one trip to the gun shop, although if they have been modded to full auto that takes knowing where to go online to buy the parts, not hard to track down though, and a modicum of dexterity and access to you tube in order to work out how to change the firing mechanism over.
Of course their are plenty of you tube videos that will show you how to fire your AR15 in such a way as to effectively make it fully auto without a mod, using the guns recoil to bounce it in your hand and cause the trigger to hit your finger etc

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do hotels even check bags? If for example one of us walked into the Westin and checked in, the porter would just take our bags up to our room.

I suspect when all this is unpacked you'll find out this was economic terrorism. The fact that this guy lived in Pahrump is a big clue.

Why is the Pahrump thing a clue? I missed anything to do with that.

I did watch a presser with the Mesquite PD and the spokesman said the home where this jackass lived was in a quiet, low crime area.

His family has stated they are completely shocked he was involved in anything like this.

He used to work for a defense contractor, was known as a pilot who owned 2 planes.

This is one of the odder shootings as to motivations we have seen. (At least to this point)

[Northendzone]

horrible horrible story - will be interesting to see what comes out of the investigation of this.

I looked at CNN.com this morning to read some news about it and at the bottom ot the story there were 10 or so paid advertising links to make arrangements to go to vegas - someone at CNN should fix that for now.

[CaptainCrunch]

From watching the reading the news this morning, it sounds like he checked into the hotel on the 28th, so he basically had 2 days to smuggle in the weapons one at a time or two at time. I'm surprised that there aren't metal detectors in the lobbies of these hotels but there's no gun detectors that have been invented. I would expect that casino's are probably going to look at x-ray's for luggage after this.

He had three days to basically watch the concert from his room and plan his kill zones and how he was going to stack his weapons for quick access.

When I first heard the videos, my first thought was some kind of either crew served weapon, or something with a very large capacity magazine.

I refuse to let anyone cop out to mental illness anymore on these types of shooting, especially when its someone who coldly sat there probably for a few days watching the people attending the festival and methodically planned how to maximize his killing.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

So far as I know, hotel staff have no authority or ability to 'check' a bag. Most hotels don't even (these days) have someone who doesn't deal with your baggage other than you.

When my wife and I were in Vegas last year, we dealt with all our luggage. If we needed an extra hand, the hotel had some push-carts/trolleys nearby that could be used.

Honestly, it's not really their job. What are they going to do if they find something? Guns? Drugs? Stuff like that?

A hotel is private property. They could check bags. It's definitely not standard practice and would alienate most of your customers.