Is the question "what game do you think is perfect" pretty much asking what your all time favourite games are? I'd argue they're one and the same.
No, they're not. This is a continuation of a thread about perfect movies. There are movies where there's just nothing obvious that you could do to make them any better. Meanwhile, you can love a movie more than all others despite its imperfections - it can be your favourite movie even if it has obvious flaws. That's the difference.
As I said before I'm really not sure that there has been a game without some area for obvious improvement. Even The Last of Us, which as I said is probably as close as anyone has gotten to perfect, has some clunkiness with the combat, and it kind of breaks the immersion when you're stealthing around and Ellie is just wandering into enemies' line of sight and she's apparently invisible to them.
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Final Fantasy VI - It's still a great experience to play through, but the game has really obvious bugs that didn't get fixed, some of them game breaking.
No, they're not. This is a continuation of a thread about perfect movies. There are movies where there's just nothing obvious that you could do to make them any better. Meanwhile, you can love a movie more than all others despite its imperfections - it can be your favourite movie even if it has obvious flaws. That's the difference.
As I said before I'm really not sure that there has been a game without some area for obvious improvement. Even The Last of Us, which as I said is probably as close as anyone has gotten to perfect, has some clunkiness with the combat, and it kind of breaks the immersion when you're stealthing around and Ellie is just wandering into enemies' line of sight and she's apparently invisible to them.
Guess agree to disagree then. How does a cheesy storyline become a flaw when its based on opinion rather than game mechanics? What if I like the cheesy storyline? I wouldn't say Last of Us is even close to perfect, there's a bunch of flaws there to. The whole zombie / dystopian future has been so over done as well, if cheesy is flaw, then so is pretty much every dystopian future storyline.
Relm's sketch command can crash the game is you use it on the wrong enemy. It can outright corrupt your cartridge in specific circumstances. From a gameplay perspective, Vanish and Doom can be used to defeat any enemy in the game which is definitely unintended. There are also a bunch of other minor glitches in the game that an average player will probably notice, like how they'll get Blind/Dark on a character and they still hit just fine (because the evade stat doesn't actually work).
It featured evolutionary graphics.
It was pretty complex for its day taking into account your army's marching speed and food supply.
It had different levels of enemy intelligence.
You had to think to beat it
It fit on a 5.25 floppy disk
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It featured evolutionary graphics.
It was pretty complex for its day taking into account your army's marching speed and food supply.
It had different levels of enemy intelligence.
You had to think to beat it
It fit on a 5.25 floppy disk
I loved that game as a kid. It introduced me to strategy games.
The two that come to mind for me right off the bat are Super Mario World and Portal 2. I actually like Portal 1 more, but it's more of a proof of concept, 2 is a much fuller game. Super Mario World's controls still feel so damn good when I pick it up, in my mind it's still the best platformer ever made.
Another one that comes to mind is A Link to the Past, although I do think it's got some small warts that prevent it from being "perfect". People bring up Mega Man X too, but I can't comment on that one as I never played it.
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Assasin's Creed II
(I mostly only play sports games now, but this game had me hooked. I think it's the only game I finished since Super Mario Bros. III).
Hard to define perfect, but here are some of my favorites over the generations.
Super Mario Brothers (NES)
Double Dragon 2 (NES)
Resident Evil (PS1)
Final Fantasy 7 (PS1)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox)
Halo CE (Xbox)
Deus Ex (PC)
Red Dead Redemption (XB360/PS3)
The Witcher 3 (PS4/XBONE)
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Guess agree to disagree then. How does a cheesy storyline become a flaw when its based on opinion rather than game mechanics? What if I like the cheesy storyline? I wouldn't say Last of Us is even close to perfect, there's a bunch of flaws there to. The whole zombie / dystopian future has been so over done as well, if cheesy is flaw, then so is pretty much every dystopian future storyline.
I guess I'm responding to this late, but... it's not agree to disagree, you're just wrong. There is clearly a difference between a work that is the one you most enjoy despite obvious flaws, and a work with no obvious flaws, that you might just not enjoy because of your personal taste. They're different criteria.
The Last of Us does have a couple of flaws, but just "it's a dystopian zombie game" is a pretty weak retort. It does dystopian zombie game better pretty much flawlessly - even the design of the "zombies" is beautifully thought out. Having a cheesy story is one of those things that's both subjective and objective, in the sense that some things are less cheesy to some people, but there can be a broad consensus about what is cheesy. The writing in JRPGs is generally super overdramatic and often very silly, compared to, say, the writing in Planescape:Torment. Speaking of JRPGs, here's a good example to demonstrate what's wrong with some of these picks - no one in this thread has mentioned Cosmic Star Heroine. Why is that? It does the 16bit party JRPG thing incredibly well, has a strong soundtrack, excellent graphics for its genre, an amazingly good combat system... but it doesn't have the nostalgia attached to it, because it came out in 2017. This just shows you that you're choosing things not because of their inherent quality but because of your personal attachment to them, and those are, again, very different criteria.
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