[GDT] 2020 EC Play-In Round: Carolina Hurricanes (6) vs New York Rangers (11) Canes Win 3-0

[Caboose]

Carolina has just been completely stifling the Rangers. It took me a second to remember that Mrazek was the Canes' goalie because I have hardly heard his name today.

Also, there's been tons of penalties. Probably a byproduct of the months away from real games. Lots of grabbing and tripping and generally undisciplined play.

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[Itse]

Not a lot of 5v5.

[3rd liner]

Will the canes still do that ridiculous clap at the end of the game with no fans?

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by 868904

I always thought Aho was a one dimensional small skilled player.



Watching him a bit here and he's really good defensively. He even plays on the PK.

Aho is one of my favourite players. He's everything I wish Monahan was.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Or just be the much better team with an average goalie and dominate. That's a much better recipe for success than leaning on an expensive goalie.

I don't think there's a team in the last decade who won the Cup because of having a 5+ million dollar goalie in net.

Haha what?

St. Louis - Jordan Binnington (yeah, out of nowhere goalie), Jake Allen (4.45M)
Washington - Braden Holtby (6M), Phillip Grubauer (578K, traded as he outgrew his role)
Pittsburgh - Matt Murray (breakout young goalie), Marc Andre Fleury (5.75M)
Pittsburgh - Matt Murray (breakout young goalie), Marc Andre Fleury (5.75M)
Chicago - Corey Crawford (6M)
LA - Jonathan Quick (5.8M)

In each situation you either have a young, star goalie breaking out mentored by an expensive veteran, or an expensive veteran.

Binnington isn't a strategy you can follow, but even if it was Jake Allen is better and more expensive than our goalies have been (and younger).

Murray was a star in the making being mentored by a franchise goalie.

Holtby was a star goalie being pushed by a young goalie in the process of breaking out.

Crawford was a star goalie, and previously broke out while he was young.

Quick was a star goalie, and previously broke out while he was young.

None of these teams structure their goalie positions the way the Flames have. Flames keep piping assets and money into older goalies who have never been able to carry the load. The best thing they've done in net is Rittich, and he's a back-up goalie and paid like one - and every year he's been here he's shown he can't take the step into the #1 spot. He needs a better goalie ahead of him.

"Cheap" tandems built around veteran goalies who have proven they can't hack it at the top tier is not how you win a Stanley Cup. The Flames have absolutely no idea how to draft goalies, develop goalies, or scout goalies at any level.

[agulati]

Rangers on the board. Lindgren with the goal.

[Insufficient Funds]

Rangers finally score after not generating much of anything on 6 power plays. 5 mins left in the second.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Haha what?

St. Louis - Jordan Binnington (yeah, out of nowhere goalie), Jake Allen (4.45M)
Washington - Braden Holtby (6M), Phillip Grubauer (578K, traded as he outgrew his role)
Pittsburgh - Matt Murray (breakout young goalie), Marc Andre Fleury (5.75M)
Pittsburgh - Matt Murray (breakout young goalie), Marc Andre Fleury (5.75M)
Chicago - Corey Crawford (6M),
LA - Jonathan Quick (5.8M)

In each situation you either have a young, star goalie breaking out mentored by an expensive veteran, or an expensive veteran.

Binnington isn't a strategy you can follow, but even if it was Jake Allen is better and more expensive than our goalies have been (and younger).

Matt Murray was a star in the making being mentored by a franchise goalie.

Crawford was a star goalie in the making, and previously broke out while he was young.

Quick was a star goalie, and previously broke out while he was young.

None of these teams structure their goalie positions the way the Flames have.

So.... 3/10 teams in the last decade won with a +5M goalie.

Regardless if there was one on the roster, the goalie that won was not the one that was overpaid for average stats.

Goalies are voodoo. Overpaying for them only handcuffs you where you need it most, in my opinion.

You don't need an all star goalie if you build a team in front of him who can dominate the game in every aspect.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

So.... 3/10 teams in the last decade won with a +5M goalie.

Regardless if there was one on the roster, the goalie that won was not the one that was overpaid for average stats.

Goalies are voodoo. Overpaying for them only handcuffs you where you need it most, in my opinion.

You don't need an all star goalie if you build a team in front of him who can dominate the game in every aspect.

Literally every Stanley Cup team I posted has a star goalie or Jordan Binnington exploding onto the scene. When Crawford and Quick broke out, they were both young and well developed prospects.

You need top tier goaltending to win the Stanley Cup. The Flames continually hire bottom to mid tier goaltending. You can't ignore the fact that Fleury helped Murray (and Murray has struggled since he left).

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

So.... 3/10 teams in the last decade won with a +5M goalie.

That's a great spin when your comment was proven wrong that no teams won with 5+ mil goalies.

And actually, that's 5 teams in that list he provided that have a +5M goalie, yes some were backups (and in one the the years pittsburgh won it with murray, fleury started the playoffs)

5+ mil backup goalies still contribute to experience (definitely fleury from his win) to help the younger/cheaper stars. Without them you can't definitely say the same results would of happened (they could of), but they are still on the roster taking cap space and helping the team)

[bluejays]

Rangers look a little bit slow. When they don't have the puck they're moping around. Now it's pretty obvious the teams who are most fit from the "off-season" will get through early on. Half the Rangers team doesn't have it. Carolina looks speedy overall.

[Wastedyouth]

Right. Because an expensive goalie can be good. Till they aren't. And then when they aren't, they are more useless to your team than a 5 million dollar skater.

Ps. I know this response is both ineffecient and short and not really fully thought out. But I'm on my phone and my full response is too much to type out. Plus, why flood the thread with my inane thoughts. Haha.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by fleury

Rangers look a little bit slow. When they don't have the puck they're moping around. Now it's pretty obvious the teams who are most fit from the "off-season" will get through early on. Half the Rangers team doesn't have it. Carolina looks speedy overall.

Rangers desperately needed that goal. Two not great periods, but that goals keeps them very much in the game. Should be a good third period, Carolina can't just sit back either.

Canes obviously the better team so far, but it wouldn't shock me if Rangers manage to steal it.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Right. Because an expensive goalie can be good. Till they aren't. And then when they aren't, they are more useless to your team than a 5 million dollar skater.

Let's look at the league:

Boston: Rask (7M), Halak (2.5M)
Buffalo: Hutton (2.75M), Ullmark (1.3M)
Detroit: Howard (4M), Bernier (3M)
Florida: Bobrovsky (10M), Driedger (850K)
Montreal: Price (10M), Lindgren (750K)
Ottawa: Anderson (4.75M), Hoberg (700K)
Tampa: Vasilevskiy (3.5M, next year is 9M), McElhinney (1.3M)
Toronto: Andersen (5M), Campbell (675K, next year is 1.67M)
Carolina: Mrazek (3.12M), Reimer (3.4M)
Columbus: Merzlikins (ELC, next year is 4M), Korpisalo (1.15M, next year is 2.8M)
New Jersey: Schneider (6M), Blackfoot (697K, next year is RFA)
NY Islanders: Varlamov (5M), Greiss (3.33M)
NY Rangers: Lundqvist (8.5M), Shesterkin (ELC), Georgiev (ELC)
Philadelphia: Hart (ELC), Elliott (2M)
Pittsburgh: Murray (3.75M), Jarry (675K), DeSmith (1.25M in AHL)
Washington: Holtby (6M), Samsonov (ELC)
Chicago: Crawford (6M), Subban (750K)
Colorado: Grubauer (3.33M), Francouz (950K)
Dallas: Bishop (4.9M), Khudobin (2.5M)
Minnesota: Dubnyk (4.83M), Stalock (785K)
Nashville: Rinne (5M), Saros (1.5M)
St. Louis: Binnington (4.4M), Allen (4.35M)
Winnipeg: Hellebuyck (6.16M), Brossoit (1.22M)
Anaheim: Gibson (6.4M), Miller (1.12M)
Arizona: Raanta (4.25M), Kuemper (1.85M, next year is 4.5M)
Calgary: Rittich (2.75M), Talbot (2.75M)
Edmonton: Smith (2M), Koskinen (4.5M)
LA: Quick (5.8M), Petersen (858K)
San Jose: Jones (5.75M), Dell (1.9M)
Vancouver: Markstrom (3.66M), Demko (1.05M), Domingue (1.15M)
Vegas: Fleury (7M), Lehner (5M, money being retained by CHI)


The only "useless" 5M+ contracts are Martin Jones and Cory Schneider. The reality is you can't win a Stanley Cup without top tier goaltending. The one exception to this in recent times is Antti Niemi during the first Chicago cup run.

The only hope the Flames have in net right now is Dustin Wolf, and if we somehow don't screw up his development you know what he'll need if we want to win a stanley cup? A top tier goalie ready to mentor him at the NHL level.

...making that list really bummed me out. It really hammered home that we have what is either the worst or 2nd worst goaltending in the playoffs.

[Robbob]

After watching the game today I am moving my Hart vote to Mackinnon. Panarin has been invisible.

[Wastedyouth]

I have a long winded rebuttal that I will save till I have a keyboard.

Go Canes!

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Robbob

After watching the game today I am moving my Hart vote to Mackinnon. Panarin has been invisible.

Rangers forwards overall have been stifled. Zibanejad and Kakko only ones noticeable.

[Wastedyouth]

If Adam Fox never wins a single playoff game in his career, I'll be happy.

[MrMike]

Shorty for NY, 3-2 with 2 minutes remaining.

[1qqaaz]

Good game by the Hurricanes.

I hope the Flames series isn't as full of penalties.