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Flamesfan05 · 07-26-2021, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

Lucic was probably our most consistent forward last season. Only one who showed up every game.

Also the one who gave up the pucks killing our hope

Lucic was ok but let’s not get overboard

He is still a negative player

getbak · 07-26-2021, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Also if a player on the team elects for arbitration I think it opens an additional buy-out window later on in the summer.

So if a team wanted to wait and see how their cap situation is later in the summer they just need a player to select arbitration. I think it'd be easy to get a borderline player to do that just by offering a one way deal or a generous AHL salary.

It looks like the Oilers only have one player with arbitration rights this year, Marody. He doesn't seem like a strong candidate for arbitration, but I guess they could bribe him to file even if they don't get to the hearing.

Goriders · 07-26-2021, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingred89

I honestly don't think I've ever disliked a player more than James Neal. And that says a lot when we've had to endure years of Burrows, Kesler, and Bieksa. Not to mention every player that has ever suited up for the Oilers. But there I stand. #### James Neal and his stupid mouthful of dentures.

I was excited when I first heard that we picked up Neal. I didn’t know much about him and was basing it on reputation.

I remember watching the first game and thinking “who’s that super slow guy?” Then I figured out it was Neal.

It went downhill from there.

Goriders · 07-26-2021, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Also the one who gave up the pucks killing our hope

Lucic was ok but let’s not get overboard

He is still a negative player

I said consistant. As in he showed up and did his job every game.

Not best. Although there were some games where he was our best player.

Flashpoint · 07-26-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

By my calculations that's a total of $22.2M in cap hit over six years in Edmonton ($19.2 Neal, $3M Lucic) for a total of 41 points of production or $541K per point.

Calgary will have $21M in cap hit over four years with 43 point already and if he gets two 20 point seasons that's 83 points and $253K per point.

Yeah but how many fights for each? You've gotta factor that in as at least half a point!

bluejays · 07-26-2021, 06:23 PM

Okay, now that this guy is going to be more or less cut, what's the story of how he left the Flames? A couple people are somehow in the know and made it sound to be the worst thing ever. In generalities, what did he do leading into that off-season?

Infinit47 · 07-26-2021, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fleury

Okay, now that this guy is going to be more or less cut, what's the story of how he left the Flames? A couple people are somehow in the know and made it sound to be the worst thing ever. In generalities, what did he do leading into that off-season?

Wasn't a fan of what he did on the ice, but I knew someone who was doing some work for him, ran into a health emergency and he was very nice and even helped this person financially. I respect him for that.

Toonage · 07-26-2021, 06:54 PM

Along the lines of how he left the Flames did we ever figure out why he left them in the middle of the season, where they removed his locker and belongings and any trace of him only for him to show up at the end of the season anyway?

GGG · 07-26-2021, 06:56 PM

I still think just buying out James Neal and having and internal 4th liner get the Lucic spot would have been the better deal. 15 or so million versus 21 million in cap hits minus the cost of a lucic replacement

dino7c · 07-26-2021, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

Lucic was probably our most consistent forward last season. Only one who showed up every game.

Maybe compared to expectations...quite a few players were better than Lucic

Icantwhisper · 07-26-2021, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Maybe compared to expectations...quite a few players were better than Lucic

Agreed, If Lucic was a UFA today, would an NHL team even sign him? I'm pretty sure he is out of the league after this contract is up

CalgaryFan1988 · 07-26-2021, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Agreed, If Lucic was a UFA today, would an NHL team even sign him? I'm pretty sure he is out of the league after this contract is up

Good old CP, one extreme to the next.

You can argue that he wouldn't play for a million, but you think most teams wouldn't offer a very tough, physical forward league minimum (at the very least)? He also had 23 points in 56 games.

JackIsBack · 07-26-2021, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

Is there an actual article on this or is this all purely speculation?

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/h...ine-approaches

JackIsBack · 07-26-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

^ Wasn't there something though if someone was going to be bought it out it had to be done tomorrow, so it meant they had to be put on waivers today?

Was Neal put on waivers? Or was he not so they're either not buying him out or messed this up?

Tomorrow is the deadline for both - if Edmonton is buying him out, he'll be on waivers tomorrow morning.

JackIsBack · 07-26-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

I still think just buying out James Neal and having and internal 4th liner get the Lucic spot would have been the better deal. 15 or so million versus 21 million in cap hits minus the cost of a lucic replacement

Yes... I think I remember you saying that back then... Lucic does hold a leadership role on this team, so there is that to consider. I agreed with you back then because Lucic does take up a spot for a younger tough guy forth liner - and we lost Hathaway because of this deal as well.

I say... for next year, make Lucic the new captain, give us some grit, give Lucic a purpose and make us a real Sutter hard working team.

Oil Stain · 07-26-2021, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

It looks like the Oilers only have one player with arbitration rights this year, Marody. He doesn't seem like a strong candidate for arbitration, but I guess they could bribe him to file even if they don't get to the hearing.

That would be my play if I were GM of the Oilers.

Who knows with Holland though. He isn't inspiring faith in his transactions.

JackIsBack · 07-26-2021, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Who knows with Holland though. He isn't inspiring faith in his transactions.

Yep... Duncan Keith says it all. Keith or Ryan Suter - just wondering who you would want on the blue line, I wonder what Suter goes for tomorrow in free agency - if it's less of what Edmonton has Keith for, is that a better deal. Keith does have more goals but they are very comparable on points.

Geeoff · 07-26-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

I still think just buying out James Neal and having and internal 4th liner get the Lucic spot would have been the better deal. 15 or so million versus 21 million in cap hits minus the cost of a lucic replacement

Man, that would've been one ugly buyout.

MrMike · 07-26-2021, 10:28 PM

I’m surprised they’re choosing Neal and not Kostkinen. If anything happens to Old man Smith they are doomed.

Oil Stain · 07-26-2021, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Yep... Duncan Keith says it all. Keith or Ryan Suter - just wondering who you would want on the blue line, I wonder what Suter goes for tomorrow in free agency - if it's less of what Edmonton has Keith for, is that a better deal. Keith does have more goals but they are very comparable on points.

I wanted Martinez but he re-upped with Vegas.

Would Ryan Suter even consider going to Canada? His rumored 4 year ask is just as frightening as Keith.

Probably the best bets would be Mountour or Reilly.